4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]

[CatfishSoupFTW]

im excited to see if there will be an "entry level" FF. I have my eyes set on a 5Dmrk3 soon time, but id like to see what canon has up their sleeve. I cant wait though!!!! SDFDGRWGR

 

[Marsu42]

im excited to see if there will be an "entry level" FF. I have my eyes set on a 5Dmrk3 soon time, but id like to see what canon has up their sleeve. I cant wait though!!!! SDFDGRWGR

I'm very interested too, but wouldn't get excited to soon: To protect their 5d3, an "entry ff" body will likely be a paper box with no features around the well-known ff sensor from the 5d3... and this wouldn't be very competitive vs. the (rumored!) d600, Canon might not go this way at all atm.

After 1-2 years after the 5d3 release, Canon might trickle down the sensor & features like the 7d -> 60d, but not after a few month - even Canon marketing would have a hard time explaining this to 5d3 customers.

 

[Axilrod]

if you mostly shoot video why yuo getting the 5Dmark III? the video is even softer on the mark III...I'd get the 5D2 and save a bunch...

Have you even used a 5DIII or are you just repeating what you've read here and there on the web? I'm guessing if you're putting it down then you don't have one. It isn't "softer" than the 5DII, I have both and shooting with the 5DIII is a pleasure compared to the 5DII. It handles noise much better, virtually no moire/artifacts, 1080p HDMI out makes pulling focus much easier, it's a beast in low-light and (most importantly) it responds to changes in post infinitely better than 5DII footage did. With the 5DII even changing the white balance could seriously degrade the footage, the artifacts made it damn near impossible to sharpen, not to mention the annoying moire.
And the video features are barely anything compared to the massive improvements on the stills side. I don't see why people think they are qualified to recommend/not recommend something they have never used, cut it out.

Sir, you just made me pull the trigger. I thank you.

Hello Mr 5D MK3.

You're very welcome, it's a great camera and even if you didn't like it for some reason you can sell it in a heartbeat with virtually no loss. It's been a joy to shoot with and it's hard to go back to the Mark II after using it.

 

[c.d.embrey]

I'm picturing a Mk2 sensor in a rebel body ...

I agree, if it's priced between the POS 60D and the EOS 7D, that's all it could be. A resin body for sure, maybe a PentaMirror instead of a PentaPrism, no weather sealing ...

 

[c.d.embrey]

I would think that studio/portrait shooters do need the vertical grip - you cant shoot all day without one

Ive no interest in carrying around a cast iron brick all day. I'll take a 5D3 or a D800 anytime over a 1Ds or a D3. YMMV

 

[dlleno]

I have interest ,but would be fine with an optional grip, even with the (lack of) weather sealing that is implied. The option to go either way would be attractive.

 

[c.d.embrey]

And an entry-level full-frame is where you hook your high ticket buyers. You go full-frame, you start buying L glass...

Why would Low Budget full frame buyers buy High-Dollar L-glass? Seems likely they would buy a 5D3 if they had L-glass money. It's much more likely that Low Budget Buyers will buy the Low Cost 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8 and the 85mm f/1.8. Or variable f/stop zoomz.

BTW, Nikon has much more friendly prices on their mid-range lenses. Their 28mm f/1.8 costs less than the Canon 28mm f/2.8 fore instance.

 

[Ricku]

I have interest ,but would be fine with an optional grip, even with the (lack of) weather sealing that is implied. The option to go either way would be attractive.

This.

Why do they even have to make the 1D size cameras? This makes them completely unattractive for me and others who NEVER want to have the extra size and bulk of a griped body.

 

[dlleno]

when the grip style body is desired for ergonomics (for example, lots of vertical shooting handheld) larger/longer battery life, and duplicate controls such as the shutter button, there are real estate advantages to put more buttons in more places to make the user interface more usable and flexible/customizable.

 

[dlleno]

And an entry-level full-frame is where you hook your high ticket buyers. You go full-frame, you start buying L glass...

Why would Low Budget full frame buyers buy High-Dollar L-glass? Seems likely they would buy a 5D3 if they had L-glass money. It's much more likely that Low Budget Buyers will buy the Low Cost 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8 and the 85mm f/1.8. Or variable f/stop zoomz.

BTW, Nikon has much more friendly prices on their mid-range lenses. Their 28mm f/1.8 costs less than the Canon 28mm f/2.8 fore instance.

FF and L Glass is where you take full advantage of the highest possible IQ. For those on fixed budgets, for example, the cost difference between two camera bodies can be applied to glass, yielding more high quality shots than investing the same amount in a more expensive body.

 

[Wildfire]

Why would Low Budget full frame buyers buy High-Dollar L-glass? Seems likely they would buy a 5D3 if they had L-glass money.

Not necessarily. I own a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II and a Rebel T3i. Bought the 70-200mm practically new on CL for $1700 with intent to sell it for more, but decided not to after seeing how FREAKING AWESOME it is.

The 5D3 is waaay too expensive but a sub-$2000 full frame is of great interest to me, whether it's a new body or a price-dropped MK2. Anything I can use to take advantage of my L glass without hitting my wallet too hard.

 

[Marsu42]

that would be the "entry level FF". If Canon doesn't release a competitor to the D600 (if it meets the rumored specs), they are going to get crushed in the DSLR market for most enthusiasts and many pros, I think.

Pros will get the 5d3 or 1dx anyway, and enthusiasts are enthusiasts because they don't exactly care about the price tag. Another poster correctly pointed out that even the 5d3 price tag is tiny in comparison to what people shell out to get L lenses & Canon flashes.

We still have to see what the d600 is really like and how it performs in real world situations - if it's severely limited except for the sensor, Canon might be better off releasing a very good 70d, just phase out the 5d2 and then let the 5d3 price drop during the next year. Then the d600 will meet a proven, firmware-debugged 5d3 with magic lantern @$2500.

 

[Bob Howland]

Using a 1D-class body for the big megapixel camera would be insanely stupid, an open invitation for Canon studio and landscape photographers to buy a Nikon D800. The only thing worse than selling a low end camera that cannibalizes your high end camera sales is to have the damage done by a competitor's low end camera.

So, the D800 is 'low end' becasue it doesn't have integrated grip? Fascinating.

There is also the difference in price between the D800 and 1Dx, but you already knew that, didn't you? Does the phrase "willfully misunderstand" mean anything to you?

 

[RGomezPhotos]

I totally agree with you and wishing for this. Give me a 5D Mark III without video and I'd be SUPER happy. It might even have better FPS too...

How about a FF entry with no Video, you know to keep the price down, something for the purist photographers for a change…. 650D is good enough for those wanting to do video

Let the fire and brimstone begin ;D hehehe

 

[x-vision]

Four new DSLRs ??? !

Am I the only one who thinks that this is nuts?
(Sorry, haven't gone through all posts in this thread.)

It's very likely that the mirrorless models will come as a pair - a basic one and a premium one (like Nikon's V1 and J1).
There's is also a (slight) chance for a 60D replacement at Photokina. But that's about it.

The 7D is getting a firmware update. So, certainly no 7DII this year. Maybe next year - or never.
The 5DII is Canon's entry level FF right now. So, no new 'entry level' FF this year either.

The 1DX is not even on sale yet, nine months after announcement. And yet, people are talking about a 1DsX.
Not happening this year, that's for sure.

So, for the remaining year, we'll get two mirrorless models and possibly a 70D.
This makes a total of one DSLR, not four.
And this DSLR, the 70D, is more likely to be announced early next year, not this year.

 

[D_Rochat]

The only certainty is that none of us no what the hell we are talking about. If 1+ year ago someone had mentioned that the 1DsIII and 1DIV would merge into a 1DX, that person would have been called an idiot and flamed beyond belief. The armchair Canon executives can speculate all they want on what Canon will or won't do, but no one really knows. We can hope and dream, but that's it.

I would like to see a Canon mirrorless similar to the Olympus OM-D. That thing and a 17mm (34mm equivalent) would make a great little street camera

 

[briansquibb]

I have interest ,but would be fine with an optional grip, even with the (lack of) weather sealing that is implied. The option to go either way would be attractive.

This.

Why do they even have to make the 1D size cameras? This makes them completely unattractive for me and others who NEVER want to have the extra size and bulk of a griped body.

A 1 series is LIGHTER than the 5DIII with a grip

 

[briansquibb]

The only certainty is that none of us no what the hell we are talking about. If 1+ year ago someone had mentioned that the 1DsIII and 1DIV would merge into a 1DX, that person would have been called an idiot and flamed beyond belief. The armchair Canon executives can speculate all they want on what Canon will or won't do, but no one really knows. We can hope and dream, but that's it.

No, Canon publicly announced a long time ago that the 1Ds and 1D lines would merge.

October 2011 was the first time I remember seeing a press release about the merge

 

[briansquibb]

The only certainty is that none of us no what the hell we are talking about. If 1+ year ago someone had mentioned that the 1DsIII and 1DIV would merge into a 1DX, that person would have been called an idiot and flamed beyond belief. The armchair Canon executives can speculate all they want on what Canon will or won't do, but no one really knows. We can hope and dream, but that's it.

No, Canon publicly announced a long time ago that the 1Ds and 1D lines would merge.

October 2011 was the first time I remember seeing a press release about the merge

The merging of the 1Ds/1D lines has been expected since the 1Ds Mark II when a Canon executive in Europe commented that it was planned.

See here:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Canon-1ds-mkii-p1.shtml
Scroll down to "A Merger".

So yes, a lot of people have been expecting it for a long time.

So it was rumour/speculation then.

Personally I have never believed that the 1DX was a sucessor to the 1DS. It doesn't come even close, good camera though it might be.

 

[briansquibb]

The only certainty is that none of us no what the hell we are talking about. If 1+ year ago someone had mentioned that the 1DsIII and 1DIV would merge into a 1DX, that person would have been called an idiot and flamed beyond belief. The armchair Canon executives can speculate all they want on what Canon will or won't do, but no one really knows. We can hope and dream, but that's it.

No, Canon publicly announced a long time ago that the 1Ds and 1D lines would merge.

October 2011 was the first time I remember seeing a press release about the merge

The merging of the 1Ds/1D lines has been expected since the 1Ds Mark II when a Canon executive in Europe commented that it was planned.

See here:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Canon-1ds-mkii-p1.shtml
Scroll down to "A Merger".

So yes, a lot of people have been expecting it for a long time.

So it was rumour/speculation then.

Personally I have never believed that the 1DX was a sucessor to the 1DS. It doesn't come even close, good camera though it might be.

Last I checked, what comes out of the mouths of executives is generally pretty reliable and well above the rank of "rumor".

I had 40 years of listening to executives and most of the time all I heard was personal opinion (useless unless from the CEO), words without real meaning, words with a personal agenda, bs or 'facts without foundation'. Off the record comments from an executive to a tester should be taken with a pinch of salt.

How long from the rumour to 'fact' - 8 years?

The 1DX is IMO a replacement for the 1D4 - the 1DS3 was just dumped with the usual executive words around it to avoid upsetting the studio shooters