5D Mark III and green RAw!!!

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hello, yestarday i was on the wedding and shoot photo for grandma :)
but 1 photo was green(i shoot in raw)
picture is
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only raw convertor FsViewer.

Canon what it is????
Bride ask me, is it bag only one picture?
what i must to say????

iso auto
bw auto
Av
+2/3
135 2.0
multisegment
write on 2 card on sd and cf.
 
This happened to me also! Only one frame out of the 15.000 I have shot with the 5d3, but still...

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It became a bit different once imported to Lr, and then again different out of Photoshop, but both raw, jpeg preview on screen was faulty and green.

I can CLEARLY say this isn't a settings problem, it is a bug. This was the only shot out of 6 in a row of my sone on his tricycle that this happened to, and haven't happened since. I just wrote it off as a bug since I haven't seen it either before nor after.
 
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Even if it is very rare it's UNACCEPTABLE!

It may ruin an once in a lifetime shot. If someone cannot count on their equipment then the equipment is not worthy.
It would seem that as more modern and capable cameras are made reliability would improve and this is clearly not happening.
This (or anything similar) has never happened on my 5DMkII.
 
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tron said:
Even if it is very rare it's UNACCEPTABLE!

It may ruin an once in a lifetime shot. If someone cannot count on their equipment then the equipment is not worthy.
It would seem that as more modern and capable cameras are made reliability would improve and this is clearly not happening.
This (or anything similar) has never happened on my 5DMkII.

I too need think it's desperately! Oh wait I don't have a 5d3... :D

But seriously speaking it's like WB set on Martians mode. S..t, it was not seriously either. :)
 
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Call it an artist favorite art piece and charge 10,000 for a wall print... case solved. ermmm.... i'd vote on the side of corrupted file... I haven't seen it happen to me, but depending on the card used, last time since a format (not just deleting pictures), and other factors... 1 out of thousands of images, i wouldn't lose sleep... every image... then rise hell.
 
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awinphoto said:
Call it an artist favorite art piece and charge 10,000 for a wall print... case solved. ermmm.... i'd vote on the side of corrupted file... I haven't seen it happen to me, but depending on the card used, last time since a format (not just deleting pictures), and other factors... 1 out of thousands of images, i wouldn't lose sleep... every image... then rise hell.

If it was shot in RAW, then the JPEG thumbnail should at least partially answer the question:
- if it's the same, then it's camera (CMOS or other electronics error, like voltage fluctuation)
- if it's ok, then the RAW is corrupted

BTW I'm not sure and haven't found and answer, if cr2 file provides at least checksum parity check. If it doesn't then it's really strange (as for cr2, not the photo).

Maybe the photo was made at some nuclear plant and you were lucky to catch some high speed particle, which changed one bit somewhere in the green colour factor multiplier;) I've read somewhere, that the most often reason for damaging computer memory modules was cosmic radiation. Just landed vehicle on Mars has the very slow processor for the same reason - to avoid cosmic radiation, which might damage it. There is a modified version of Power PC 750, which is like 70 times slower than processors in modern mobile phones but it's resistant to cosmic radiation. One bad photo is not the reason for changing the camera. If the second one occurs, then change the camera, or place where you make photos :)
 
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I've had a few 5D2 images show up with very blue images like not all of the color channels recorded or something. It would literally be one file out of a thousand that I shot in one day, but it's happened several times. It didn't look anything like the one posted though. On mine the exposure was fine...it would just be a randomly a super-strong color cast that wasn't white balance related. I don't think I've seen it yet on the 5D3, though.
 
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marekjoz said:
awinphoto said:
Call it an artist favorite art piece and charge 10,000 for a wall print... case solved. ermmm.... i'd vote on the side of corrupted file... I haven't seen it happen to me, but depending on the card used, last time since a format (not just deleting pictures), and other factors... 1 out of thousands of images, i wouldn't lose sleep... every image... then rise hell.

If it was shot in RAW, then the JPEG thumbnail should at least partially answer the question:
- if it's the same, then it's camera (CMOS or other electronics error, like voltage fluctuation)
- if it's ok, then the RAW is corrupted

BTW I'm not sure and haven't found and answer, if cr2 file provides at least checksum parity check. If it doesn't then it's really strange (as for cr2, not the photo).

Not necessarily... if the sector of card that the camera was writing to is screwy, it could be the whole lot, raw and thumbnail... or one or both.. Of course it would be assumed if there was 1 corrupt raw file, there would be many more if that was the case, but if a card hasn't been formatted in a while, it can happen I suppose... It's just hard to recreate a scenario that happens one out of few thousand images... Just like an image with missed focus... Just one of those things... call it an artist favorite and charge the moon for it... =)
 
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awinphoto said:
marekjoz said:
awinphoto said:
Call it an artist favorite art piece and charge 10,000 for a wall print... case solved. ermmm.... i'd vote on the side of corrupted file... I haven't seen it happen to me, but depending on the card used, last time since a format (not just deleting pictures), and other factors... 1 out of thousands of images, i wouldn't lose sleep... every image... then rise hell.

If it was shot in RAW, then the JPEG thumbnail should at least partially answer the question:
- if it's the same, then it's camera (CMOS or other electronics error, like voltage fluctuation)
- if it's ok, then the RAW is corrupted

BTW I'm not sure and haven't found and answer, if cr2 file provides at least checksum parity check. If it doesn't then it's really strange (as for cr2, not the photo).

Not necessarily... if the sector of card that the camera was writing to is screwy, it could be the whole lot, raw and thumbnail... or one or both.. Of course it would be assumed if there was 1 corrupt raw file, there would be many more if that was the case, but if a card hasn't been formatted in a while, it can happen I suppose... It's just hard to recreate a scenario that happens one out of few thousand images... Just like an image with missed focus... Just one of those things... call it an artist favorite and charge the moon for it... =)

But I think, that the thumbnail is created in the memory of the camera before writing RAW to the card, and after the thumbnail is created, it is added to the RAW and one file is written - RAW, containing a JPEG thumbnail. This is how I understand this process. If this is correct, then I can't even imagine the probability, that both - JPEG and RAW are affected the same way, especially that they store the information differently.
 
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marekjoz said:
I've read somewhere, that the most often reason for damaging computer memory modules was cosmic radiation.

I once received a box of Kodak BioMax MS (ultrasensitive autoradiography film), a sealed package of 100 sheets, and after developing the first one (following a 5 day exposure to a radioactive sample), I noticed a ~6mm diameter black spot on the film that didn't come from my sample, and could not be attributed to a light leak in the film cassette. I pulled a few more sheets from the pack and developed them immediately, they had the same spot - stacking the whole pack together after developing showed that the spots formed a complete column passing through the stack at a slight angle, and I suspect the pack was hit by a cosmic ray during shipping.

RE the green RAW wedding photo, I suggest you contact all the guests and a random sample of individuals nearby the locale but not present at the event. Check your watch, the watches of the guests, and the watches of the people not actually at the event. I suspect you'll find a small temporal difference between those there and those not there, indicating that the entire wedding party and all the guests, and you, were abducted by aliens. Your shot was taken just as the matter transmitter beam was collecting you all for transport, and while the aliens eliminated most other traces of their presence, they missed your 5DIII. I would not report this to Canon, but to the National Enquirer, instead. :P
 
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tron said:
Even if it is very rare it's UNACCEPTABLE!

It may ruin an once in a lifetime shot. If someone cannot count on their equipment then the equipment is not worthy.
It would seem that as more modern and capable cameras are made reliability would improve and this is clearly not happening.
This (or anything similar) has never happened on my 5DMkII.
So,Most photographers are very happy to have 50% of their images become keepers. You must not be willing to accept one of 15,000 that are not perfect.
What are you going to do if one day the photographer goofs and you have a poor image? Send him back to the factory?
This could be easily caused by opening the battery door before the camera finished writing. If so, send the photographer back, one of 15,000 is unacceptable.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
marekjoz said:
I've read somewhere, that the most often reason for damaging computer memory modules was cosmic radiation.

I once received a box of Kodak BioMax MS (ultrasensitive autoradiography film), a sealed package of 100 sheets, and after developing the first one (following a 5 day exposure to a radioactive sample), I noticed a ~6mm diameter black spot on the film that didn't come from my sample, and could not be attributed to a light leak in the film cassette. I pulled a few more sheets from the pack and developed them immediately, they had the same spot - stacking the whole pack together after developing showed that the spots formed a complete column passing through the stack at a slight angle, and I suspect the pack was hit by a cosmic ray during shipping.

RE the green RAW wedding photo, I suggest you contact all the guests and a random sample of individuals nearby the locale but not present at the event. Check your watch, the watches of the guests, and the watches of the people not actually at the event. I suspect you'll find a small temporal difference between those there and those not there, indicating that the entire wedding party and all the guests, and you, were abducted by aliens. Your shot was taken just as the matter transmitter beam was collecting you all for transport, and while the aliens eliminated most other traces of their presence, they missed your 5DIII. I would not report this to Canon, but to the National Enquirer, instead. :P

@neuro - You'd be surprised, if that was the case with the aliens :)
BTW, 6mm diameter is quite a lot for a single proton hit :)

Seriously speaking, here is a whitepaper about memory soft errors (so not critical for the hardware): http://www.tezzaron.com/about/papers/soft_errors_1_1_secure.pdf. Assuming the numbers given on page 2 (of 7 so not so long) such a case as shown on the picture of OP is not impossible and might occur quite often, regarding the number of people shooting multiplied by number of files multiplied by the size of each file.
So next time people - don't underestimate the influence of the cosmic rays in your real life on this planet :)
 
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Freelancer said:
tron said:
Even if it is very rare it's UNACCEPTABLE!

nothing is perfect.. when you are older then 8 years you should have grasped reality. :P
But the 3500-3600 dollars/pounds/euro that Canon / dealer would get would be perfect!
I do not think they would accept e, hmm for example 3400 plus a piece of paper saying sorry can you please imagine this piece of paper as being the rest 100-200 missing (to gether with buyer's gratitude ;D )
 
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tron said:
Freelancer said:
tron said:
Even if it is very rare it's UNACCEPTABLE!

nothing is perfect.. when you are older then 8 years you should have grasped reality. :P
But the 3500-3600 dollars/pounds/euro that Canon / dealer would get would be perfect!
I do not think they would accept e, hmm for example 3400 plus a piece of paper saying sorry can you please imagine this piece of paper as being the rest 100-200 missing (to gether with buyer's gratitude ;D )

Wrong proportions: if it costs 3500$ and it's life is 150 000 photos, then 1 broken photo in it's life is worth 2 cents. I think you'd get such a rebate...
 
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