5D Mark III & Possible 1D X Issue With PocketWizards

[clicstudio]

This proves that all the reviews out there about the 5D III are really crap or done by amateurs or people that only shoot birds and weddings but it was not tested in a studio...

Come on, this is a pro-sumer camera but definitely NOT professional or for real studio work.
I've been using it for 2 days and although I am REALLY impressed with the quality of the images, the high ISO smoothness and the amazingly huge viewfinder and LCD screen, it is just a limited camera.

First of all, it is useless without a grip. Try attaching a heavy 70-200 or a 100-400 to it and your index finger will be sore for hours.
Even with a 24-70, the lens is too heavy for such a small body. Forget it if you want to shoot vertical, you will get carpal tunnel in 5 minutes.

Syncing at only 1/200 is just not enough to freeze motion... The single top display is too crowded with too much information and the weak amber light is not even or strong enough, not to mention the viewing angle is limited to a 45-degree angle... Try looking at it from the very top and everything fades out.

A camera with a full AUTO mode is consumer, however you want to see it. There are more AUTO settings in the camera than in a Rebel... AUTO ISO, AUTO shutter speed, AUTO WB... Is this for photographers or kids?

at $3800 plus $380 for a BG-E11 grip, the 5D III sets u back approx $4200... If you can afford it, for another $2600 u can have the best camera in the world... Why go Half-Ass with a limited camera?

I can't wait for the 1DX to replace my 1D4. Quoting that funny movie, Telladega Nights, you can only count to Number 1. Anything else is just not good enough and Canon 1-Series is what I've been using since 2003...

Cheers

Pat

 

[wickidwombat]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to a bastard.

I am sooo happy right now... Stupid crappy PW's ;D

I took my Phottix Odin out of the box, put in the supplied AA batteries, attached the INCLUDED cable to attach them to my Elinchrom's, switched my 1d4 to 1/8000s of a second; always trigger, always sync, no matter what. I've shot almost 3000 images with them total, with both Elinchrom's and 580 ex II's in ALL conditions and situations. Not ONE SINGLE misfire or no-trigger whatsoever.

And yes, I have tried the Odin with a pre-production 1d X and it syncs at all speeds. If one of the 5d3's pre-ordered from the store I work at doesn't get picked up tomorrow, I will try the Odin with the 5d3 at all speeds also. And if it works, I'll be back to gloat and be a douch badmouthing the useless Flex-system once again! ;D

Thank you and good night!

you're getting 1/8000 second out of elinchrom studio strobes?! I have got to try this

Yes I did! Elinchrom D-lite 4's, no fiddeling, just set the speed in M-mode and fired away.

sweet thats what I have too

 

[clicstudio]

Have you updated your PW Mini TT1 for the 5D MKIII???

Do they have this available for the Mini yet?

You have to configure both the Flex and the Mini via the USB to set the camera up.

I got the exact same results when I first got my 5D MKII...

Why?

Because my mini was still set to my T2i.

Yup.... Went through the same thing... I thought I had a bad 5DMKII... or that my 5DMKII had to shoot at 1/160 or 1/100...

Ah... Configuration.

Right now I don't think PocketWizard has an update firmware yet:

http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/36/TT1-C/compatibility/

I did have mine set to 7D first and all I got was black frames. I changed the config. and it works better now.

There is no update for the Mini TT1. Pocket Wizard DOESN'T HAVE a 5D III yet, therefore there is no firmware update. They told me they are hoping to get one soon and they will start to work on it asap. What a bunch of crap. Like they can't afford to get a camera to improve their products...

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

Got a question. For studio work, if I want to set up a high speed sync system, is it possible to do so with only one receiver and setting the other heads for optical triggering? Will this work or will I need a receiver for each head to get the high speed sync?

 

[wickidwombat]

Got a question. For studio work, if I want to set up a high speed sync system, is it possible to do so with only one receiver and setting the other heads for optical triggering? Will this work or will I need a receiver for each head to get the high speed sync?

no because HSS changes the way in which the flash fires
normal flash punches out a single burst of light in about 1/20000th of a second at either the begining or end of the frame based on if you are using first or second curtain sync

with HSS it lowers the strobe power and pulses it for the duration of the open shutter very fast so that the strobe is emitting light for the whole exposure. this is why when using HSS you may need to use techniques such as ganglighting to provide enough oomph

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

I am sorry, I now realize I wasn't clear at all with my question. I was referring to Viggo's post regarding studio strobes and not Canon's HSS :-[. Calling it "high speed sync" was my mistake. He was talking about syncing at all shutter speeds with Phottix Odin and I was curious about how this works and wether it's possible to trigger only one strobe with it and let the others be optically triggered by that one.

 

[wickidwombat]

I am sorry, I now realize I wasn't clear at all with my question. I was referring to Viggo's post regarding studio strobes and not Canon's HSS :-[. Calling it "high speed sync" was my mistake. He was talking about syncing at all shutter speeds with Phottix Odin and I was curious about how this works and wether it's possible to trigger only one strobe with it and let the others be optically triggered by that one.

ah ok I dunno i am guessing the odin delay the firing of the flash till the back end of the exposure so maybe it just has a count before it actually signals the flash to fire
but i'm gonna give it a go tonight anyway

 

[Viggo]

I am sorry, I now realize I wasn't clear at all with my question. I was referring to Viggo's post regarding studio strobes and not Canon's HSS :-[. Calling it "high speed sync" was my mistake. He was talking about syncing at all shutter speeds with Phottix Odin and I was curious about how this works and wether it's possible to trigger only one strobe with it and let the others be optically triggered by that one.

ah ok I dunno i am guessing the odin delay the firing of the flash till the back end of the exposure so maybe it just has a count before it actually signals the flash to fire
but i'm gonna give it a go tonight anyway

I haven't tried as I had two recievers, but It did work at sync speed 1/200s with some cheap triggers I had before. Radio on camera, to one radio on one flash and the other triggered by the built-in slave function.

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

With normal sync speeds I did use from time to time a combination of radio and optical triggering but I don't know if it'll work in a high speed sync setup.

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

ah ok I dunno i am guessing the odin delay the firing of the flash till the back end of the exposure so maybe it just has a count before it actually signals the flash to fire
but i'm gonna give it a go tonight anyway

I imagine it has something to do with timing the actual flash firing. Which makes me think that what I'm asking will not work since an optical triggering implies a certain delay. But I'll appreciate if you can confirm this.

 

[wickidwombat]

ah ok I dunno i am guessing the odin delay the firing of the flash till the back end of the exposure so maybe it just has a count before it actually signals the flash to fire
but i'm gonna give it a go tonight anyway

I imagine it has something to do with timing the actual flash firing. Which makes me think that what I'm asking will not work since an optical triggering implies a certain delay. But I'll appreciate if you can confirm this.

just tested it, its fantastic
i set up an odin on a speedlight and an elinchrom strobe set to optical slave, turned off HSS on the odin and set it to 1/8000 sec made sure the speedlight was on first curtain in manual and it fired the studio strobe just fine
so sounds like what you want will work

 

[Viggo]

ah ok I dunno i am guessing the odin delay the firing of the flash till the back end of the exposure so maybe it just has a count before it actually signals the flash to fire
but i'm gonna give it a go tonight anyway

I imagine it has something to do with timing the actual flash firing. Which makes me think that what I'm asking will not work since an optical triggering implies a certain delay. But I'll appreciate if you can confirm this.

just tested it, its fantastic
i set up an odin on a speedlight and an elinchrom strobe set to optical slave, turned off HSS on the odin and set it to 1/8000 sec made sure the speedlight was on first curtain in manual and it fired the studio strobe just fine
so sounds like what you want will work

Great news! I have sold my Elinchrom's so I couldn't test it, but thats awesome! And I love that the only time you connect the Odin to a computer is when you get new functions. It simply understands everything always. ETTL is also very precise. Now if only Canon AF would be as smart , no fiddeling, just sharp images. ;D

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

i set up an odin on a speedlight and an elinchrom strobe set to optical slave, turned off HSS on the odin and set it to 1/8000 sec made sure the speedlight was on first curtain in manual and it fired the studio strobe just fine
so sounds like what you want will work

Many thanks. That's awesome.

 

[dpinparis]

using them as basic triggers only, I do not have a problem shooting at 1/200 with flash.

 

[Bosman]

my flex system is working well with the 5dm3 as far as i can tell.

I was able to shoot 1/8000 sec last night in testing, so the hypersync worked. Maybe its not dialed in but i reset the firmware to auto instead of preogramed for my 1dm3 and my regular 5d.

 

[milo]

I'm sorry, I thought this camera was supposed to have High Speed Sync?

 

[Viggo]

I'm sorry, I thought this camera was supposed to have High Speed Sync?

It's not the camera, neither the canon or other flashes, it's the Pocket Wizard triggering system for wireless flash. Use anything else and the problem is gone.

 

[Bosman]

This proves that all the reviews out there about the 5D III are really crap or done by amateurs or people that only shoot birds and weddings but it was not tested in a studio...

Come on, this is a pro-sumer camera but definitely NOT professional or for real studio work.
I've been using it for 2 days and although I am REALLY impressed with the quality of the images, the high ISO smoothness and the amazingly huge viewfinder and LCD screen, it is just a limited camera.

First of all, it is useless without a grip. Try attaching a heavy 70-200 or a 100-400 to it and your index finger will be sore for hours.
Even with a 24-70, the lens is too heavy for such a small body. Forget it if you want to shoot vertical, you will get carpal tunnel in 5 minutes.

Syncing at only 1/200 is just not enough to freeze motion... The single top display is too crowded with too much information and the weak amber light is not even or strong enough, not to mention the viewing angle is limited to a 45-degree angle... Try looking at it from the very top and everything fades out.

A camera with a full AUTO mode is consumer, however you want to see it. There are more AUTO settings in the camera than in a Rebel... AUTO ISO, AUTO shutter speed, AUTO WB... Is this for photographers or kids?

at $3800 plus $380 for a BG-E11 grip, the 5D III sets u back approx $4200... If you can afford it, for another $2600 u can have the best camera in the world... Why go Half-Ass with a limited camera?

I can't wait for the 1DX to replace my 1D4. Quoting that funny movie, Telladega Nights, you can only count to Number 1. Anything else is just not good enough and Canon 1-Series is what I've been using since 2003...

Cheers

Pat

Wow, seriously, you are complaining about how uncomfortable and heavy it is with a 70-200 without a grip? Have you heard of a monopod? Yea shooting for hours with a handgrip will help for about an hour then your shoulders and arms start tucking in and you wonder why is it so hard??? lol.

 

[wockawocka]

You know I had a similar experience with it yesterday.

Hand hurt, IQ is better than my 1Ds3 but this is still a prosumer camera.

The 1Dx is the pro one. Sure the 5D3 will do for a lot of applications but it isn't a pro camera. It still feels like a toy.

 

[publiux]

This proves that all the reviews out there about the 5D III are really crap or done by amateurs or people that only shoot birds and weddings but it was not tested in a studio...

Come on, this is a pro-sumer camera but definitely NOT professional or for real studio work.
I've been using it for 2 days and although I am REALLY impressed with the quality of the images, the high ISO smoothness and the amazingly huge viewfinder and LCD screen, it is just a limited camera.

First of all, it is useless without a grip. Try attaching a heavy 70-200 or a 100-400 to it and your index finger will be sore for hours.
Even with a 24-70, the lens is too heavy for such a small body. Forget it if you want to shoot vertical, you will get carpal tunnel in 5 minutes.

Syncing at only 1/200 is just not enough to freeze motion... The single top display is too crowded with too much information and the weak amber light is not even or strong enough, not to mention the viewing angle is limited to a 45-degree angle... Try looking at it from the very top and everything fades out.

A camera with a full AUTO mode is consumer, however you want to see it. There are more AUTO settings in the camera than in a Rebel... AUTO ISO, AUTO shutter speed, AUTO WB... Is this for photographers or kids?

at $3800 plus $380 for a BG-E11 grip, the 5D III sets u back approx $4200... If you can afford it, for another $2600 u can have the best camera in the world... Why go Half-Ass with a limited camera?

I can't wait for the 1DX to replace my 1D4. Quoting that funny movie, Telladega Nights, you can only count to Number 1. Anything else is just not good enough and Canon 1-Series is what I've been using since 2003...

Cheers

Pat

Wow, seriously, you are complaining about how uncomfortable and heavy it is with a 70-200 without a grip? Have you heard of a monopod? Yea shooting for hours with a handgrip will help for about an hour then your shoulders and arms start tucking in and you wonder why is it so hard??? lol.

Well said! I was dying of laughter when I read that post, but I couldn't come up with a good response while at work.

+1!