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psolberg said:
What high ISO DR drop compared to the 5D2? The 5D3 actually has slightly better DR at high iso than the 5D2 and the only cams that do better in that regard at the D3s (but with very low res so it looks worse overall at high iso) and D4 and perhaps 1DX.
6fps isn't quite the 7-8fps you hope for but all the same it is a HUGE difference compared to 3.9fps. At 4fps you pretty much never ever get two key frames in most sports action sequences while with 6fps you sometimes do (at 8fps you almost always do) and sometimes is a lot better than never especially since it's not a really rare sometimes. It is a bit of a shame it didn't do the 6.9fps of the rumors though.
Swapping a moire filter in and out if you jump between video and stills is a royal pain and time waster and the 5D3 video has at least 1.5 stops better SNR if not more than the 5D3. It is a touch soft and it's ridiculous, beyond ridiculous they left out focus peaking, zebra stripes and pretty bad they didn't give it a 1.6x cropped mode, the sensor makes 1 .6x crop with no line skipping using 2x2 blocking like a C300 possible it would seem and no super zoom mode either.
The auto-updating custom functions, histogram that shows up under the sun so you can see where it ends, video/stills liveview toggle switch and other things make the UI noticeably better too.
The DR at low ISO is a bit of a sad joke though after all this time. Nikon gets better by like 2.7 stops and Canon actually gets like a fraction of a stop worse! It has worse per photosite read noise at low iso than anything they have made since like the 30D-era I think! That said it's not really any noticeably worse DR at low ISO than the 5D2, in the real world it's about a tie. It is a bit more color blind than the 5D2.
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
Magic Lantern does both as you probably know already. I guess the guys at Canon are using ml too because they cannot live with their own feature-less firmware. So if the ml devs implement it for free, why pay Canon devs :-o ?
EOBeav said:
I'll probably go the same way, Canon isn't likely to come up with a good 5d2 successor at the same price w/o cutting too many features from the 5d3. Maybe there won't be a 5d2 successor at all, that's why the 5d3 is the 5d3, right?
To many, the differences might matter only if you have competing photogs that exploit exactly the advantages the 5d3 has, or if you have been infected by Canon marketing.
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Marsu42 said:
Yeah but they forgot about the part where all the major DSLR video review sites slammed it and went meh. Had they not left it to ML ;D they might gotten some better press and more jumping off the shelves.
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briansquibb said:bdunbar79 said:You gave up your 1D Mark IV
Did I - I dont think so, definitely 2 x 1 series in today's bag
I was obviously making a joke about your signature file
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briansquibb said:When I put my full inventory on the sig line I get flamed
But if you don't you'll get flamed, too - nobody without a full frame body and a personal lens zoo could possibly have a valid opinion on anything, you 7d cheapo! ... on the other hand maybe it's clever not to be connected to ancient, dead-end aps-h technology
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Marsu42 said:briansquibb said:When I put my full inventory on the sig line I get flamed
But if you don't you'll get flamed, too - nobody without a full frame body and a personal lens zoo could possibly have a valid opinion on anything, you 7d cheapo! ... on the other hand maybe it's clever not to be connected to ancient, dead-end aps-h technology
I guess I can make a comment on anything other than the xxxD lines
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Oh. Well, I toned mine down too. At first I thougt it would make me look like I knew what I was doing, but then I realized everyone knew better and that I just looked like an idiot.
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bdunbar79 said:
I wouldn't say a long gear list doesn't mean much either way except that for some reason you had the $$$ to get it. Getting every possible lens out there might mean you know what you do, but then again it might you don't. And with good professionals with little gear (but much addons like filters, light, ...) and rich amateurs who are lens collectors around, who's to tell who is who?
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I find it very irritating when posts come in from people that have never owned kit that they are commenting about.
It is quite clear that all they are saying is some regurgitated 'fact' that they have read about on the web sometime.
The 5DII is getting these AF 'facts' stated about it - when those that have had extensive use of one know that using the centre AF point is the way to go - and then the 5D2 delivers top images - and yes even sports pictures if needed, albeit that the low fps is irritating - but hey, it is the same fps as the D800 and there are no murmours there. It is still one of the best low light bodies out there - just meter to the right and the image stays very, very good
The 5DII will always out IQ the 7D - I think it is an ideal entry level ff. It may not have the bells and whistles - it is a simple but very effective camera
It is quite clear that all they are saying is some regurgitated 'fact' that they have read about on the web sometime.
The 5DII is getting these AF 'facts' stated about it - when those that have had extensive use of one know that using the centre AF point is the way to go - and then the 5D2 delivers top images - and yes even sports pictures if needed, albeit that the low fps is irritating - but hey, it is the same fps as the D800 and there are no murmours there. It is still one of the best low light bodies out there - just meter to the right and the image stays very, very good
The 5DII will always out IQ the 7D - I think it is an ideal entry level ff. It may not have the bells and whistles - it is a simple but very effective camera
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briansquibb said:
Excellent post! I actually did own the 5D Mark II and when I learned the AF issues, I never had a problem. I was consistently shooting sports and even trains going 65+ mph. All you had to do was use the center point in AI Servo Mode and maybe crop a bit in Photoshop or what have you. I do miss the 7D because it had extra reach and made it sort of like having double the lenses that I own. If I could shoot more photos I would definitely buy a 7D or a 5D Mark II again and use them in my current lineup. If you shoot in RAW and can use photo editing, the 5D Mark II and 7D produce top-notch images. If I had time to do nothing but shoot photos, believe me I'd have FOUR cameras in my kit!
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The mkII was a huge leap over the (still splendid) 5D classic and I could justify buying it. I shot weddings, events and portraits in addition to my architectural and commercial work. The mkIII offers a nicer body and much better AF but at present a less compelling value proposition. I do say that low light AF is an issue but overall I am delighted to be able to get all I want in a steeply discounted mkII now that the mkIII is out.
That being said, I AM going to get a mkIII specifically because I am getting more low light event jobs that require the better AF.
For the hobbyist the mkII is the best deal out there. Money saved can go to lenses.
That being said, I AM going to get a mkIII specifically because I am getting more low light event jobs that require the better AF.
For the hobbyist the mkII is the best deal out there. Money saved can go to lenses.
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RLPhoto said:
The 5Dc is the only camera I regret selling.
I used the 5Dc as my first DSLR ff camera and for about 18months, several weddings and christenings. Only just coming from film I was blown away at just how good the colours were (and still are). The 13mp and slow fps encouraged me to buy the 5DII. I used the 5DII for just over 2 years and got so many good images. The 5DII made way for my 1DS3 which I have really fallen for and is now my regular camera - the colour rendition of the 1DS3 is very close to that of the 5Dc - not surprising really as they come from the same era.
FF is quite addictive with the images it delivers, after 3 ff bodies I am still in there and loving it
Picture is from 1Ds3 with my 135 f/2 which I have had on all ff bodies. I think it is one of the great combinations, ff +135
Taken at f/2
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