5D MkIII spontaneously shuts down

[RustyTheGeek]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

 

[Loswr]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

Speed vs. sound. Even when idling, the engine of a Formula 1 racecar is loud!

 

[RustyTheGeek]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

Speed vs. sound. Even when idling, the engine of a Formula 1 racecar is loud!

I get that but why can't it just be another mode like on the 5D3? You know... Single Normal, Sequential Normal, Single Silent, Sequential Silent, and then H for High Speed Formula One.

 

[Loswr]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

Speed vs. sound. Even when idling, the engine of a Formula 1 racecar is loud!

I get that but why can't it just be another mode like on the 5D3? You know... Single Normal, Sequential Normal, Single Silent, Sequential Silent, and then H for High Speed Formula One.

Not sure, but I'm pretty sure if it was possible, it would have been done. A 12-cylinder engine at idle will be louder than a 4-cylinder engine. Maybe as slow as the mirror/shutter can move, it's still just that loud?

 

[j-nord]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

Speed vs. sound. Even when idling, the engine of a Formula 1 racecar is loud!

I get that but why can't it just be another mode like on the 5D3? You know... Single Normal, Sequential Normal, Single Silent, Sequential Silent, and then H for High Speed Formula One.

I assume stiffer/stronger springs in the shutter system to allow for faster fps and longer shutter life = more noise. This comes down to the physical shutter system not some software tweak. Would you rather compromise the shutter life to reduce the sound a little?

 

[RustyTheGeek]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

Speed vs. sound. Even when idling, the engine of a Formula 1 racecar is loud!

I get that but why can't it just be another mode like on the 5D3? You know... Single Normal, Sequential Normal, Single Silent, Sequential Silent, and then H for High Speed Formula One.

I assume stiffer/stronger springs in the shutter system to allow for faster fps and longer shutter life = more noise. This comes down to the physical shutter system not some software tweak. Would you rather compromise the shutter life to reduce the sound a little?

I agree that if it could have been done, it probably would have been done. I also agree that it's likely the heavier mechanism required for durability and speed. Although I also have the impression that the 5D3 achieves part of the silence with some dampened motor control which is likely done through software and explains why it is slower in S mode.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Here is the thread of my 5D-III power issue which was sorted out towards September last year. The technician replaced the motherboard

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=27410.msg541899#msg541899

StudentOfLight, thanks very much for the link. It could prove useful 8)
Has the camera been stable since then?

-pw

Yes, my 5D-III is 100% stable now. Haven't had any issues since that.

 

[kaihp]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

Speed vs. sound. Even when idling, the engine of a Formula 1 racecar is loud!

I get that but why can't it just be another mode like on the 5D3? You know... Single Normal, Sequential Normal, Single Silent, Sequential Silent, and then H for High Speed Formula One.

Not sure, but I'm pretty sure if it was possible, it would have been done. A 12-cylinder engine at idle will be louder than a 4-cylinder engine. Maybe as slow as the mirror/shutter can move, it's still just that loud?

You've clearly never heard a Harley in idle next to a 4cylinder sports machine (both with OEM exhausts)
The joke about Harley's is that not only are they loud, but they also very slow, taking a long time to move sufficiently away so you can start taking again ;D

More on-topic:

If I understand the 'normal' mirrorbox design correct, the mirror is driven hard all the way to the end-stop. As with most fast things, it's the sudden stop at the end that is the problem: causing a lot of the vibration - and sound (noise). The 5Ds mirror box uses a to accelerate and decelerate the mirror, which should yield less vibration and sound.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing variations on cam-driven mirror assemblies in lots of SLRs going forward.

One more thing: the OVF black-out time. If you want a short black-out time, you need to move that mirror faster. Everything else equal, a faster mirror implies more noise (as in sound).

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I've never used/owned the 1D series cameras except in stores or the 1V I had for film.

But I don't understand why the newest / just released flagship body from Canon can't have as silent (if not MORE silent) a shutter as the 4 year old 5D3. The 1D series is larger and heavier. So it has the room for whatever is necc to achieve the silent shutter. And weight isn't an issue either. I just don't get it. All I can guess is that it has something to do with the much more durable shutter lifespan that only the 1D series offers but still... come on! Stick the rubber baby buggy bumpers on the it and make it happen! ???

I dont think there's any conspiracy here...I think it's purely a function of engineering. The 5D3 has the most amazing silent shutter mode...it's eerily quiet. The 1D series is built and designed for ultra high frame rate at any costs...which makes it sound like a machine gun. That said....I've never found wild life to be particularly bothered with shutter noise or speed. The only time it's been an issue was a particularly nasty and draconian registrar at a civil service in Swindon. The 5D3's silent shutter was the tool of choice in that particular ceremony....which is right considering the 5D3 was Jeff Ascough's personal camera spec list. It's the perfect wedding camera and the most versatile camera as a result.

 

[drmikeinpdx]

This was a new one for me! At a job today my gripped 5DIII was spontaneously shutting down. Not going to sleep, I mean shutting down as if I'd switched the power off or the batteries were dead flat.
-pw

My 5D3 did that a few times last year, with both Canon and Wasabi batteries. It was very disturbing the first time it happened, when I was shooting mixed stills and video in hot weather. I eventually figured out that the batteries involved were the oldest in my collection, maybe 2-3 years old. I did not suspect them at first, since the camera said they still had a fair amount of charge left, maybe 50% or more. The shutdown only occurred when I was using the camera heavily, maybe the old batteries could not keep up?

The problem went away when I retired my oldest batteries and bought a few new Wasabi batteries. BTW, the new Wasabis don't cause that annoying warning about irregular communication when you boot up the camera.

Your problem could have a different cause, but it might be worth thinking about.

 

[Rob Carter]

I used to have this problem. I updated the firmware and the problem went away.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I assume stiffer/stronger springs in the shutter system to allow for faster fps and longer shutter life = more noise. This comes down to the physical shutter system not some software tweak. Would you rather compromise the shutter life to reduce the sound a little?

The 1D series uses two motors, one to open, one to close the shutter. They move the shutter very fast, and have to stop very fast. Even with the motors decelerating the shutter as it approaches the limits, and with additional sound cushioning, it still makes a loud noise. It really is comparable to Neuro's example of racing engine noise versus my 4 cyl Subaru aircraft derived engine. The 7D MK II uses something similar, but has a lower voltage battery to drive those motors.