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LetTheRightLensIn said:disappointing results at ISO 100:
vWings said:Thanks akiskev. I looked at the videos you provided but not following exactly what/why you tweaked in ACR. I use Aperture and PS but am an admitted novice at best. Color balance, dodging, burning, cropping, and sharpening are easy enough. But removing noise and cleaning up photos as you did in the videos is uncharted territory for me. Any recommendations for tutorials?
vWings said:Thanks akiskev. I looked at the videos you provided but not following exactly what/why you tweaked in ACR. I use Aperture and PS but am an admitted novice at best. Color balance, dodging, burning, cropping, and sharpening are easy enough. But removing noise and cleaning up photos as you did in the videos is uncharted territory for me. Any recommendations for tutorials?
$1839 is pretty cheap, where is selling it that cheap?te4o said:wickidW, do you think 5D2 will drop further in price when the 5d3 is in the shops? Now 1839 A$, I think I'll stop dreaming for the 4000+ 5D3, no point for me. This will be slowly the end of a dream.
LetTheRightLensIn said:disappointing results at ISO 100:
banding:
horizontal banding appears to be entirely removed, this is good, and will help make ISO look better and get less badly clumped chroma noise and all but vertical banding appears to be zero improved and it shows up enough that I don't think you gain any usable amount of low ISO DR back compared to the 5D2
so for low ISO I'm not sure the removal of horizontal banding alone will really help usable DR any since the vertical sticks out to the eye just as much, maybe here on there on parts of the image it might help
DR:
5D2: 15760,1024,6.1 AU,3.8 8MP normalized ADU, DR - 11.2 , DR8MP - 11.9
5D3: 15309 (maybe the channels were still not quite blown though?),2048, 6.6 ADU, 6.4 normalized to 5D2 6.4 and then to 8MP 3.96, DR- 11.0 DRto5D2 - 11.0 DR8MP - 11.7
and let us say WP should be 15760 instead then DR8MP - 11.8
and let us even say it should be max 14bit 16383 - 11.8
so I actually get fractionally worse DR than for the 5D2, but it's for all intents, the exact same, within copy to copy variation and well within any difference you'd be able to notice
Sad to say but even the DX D7000 handily beats the latest Canon FF for DR, and not by a little. The D800, at 100% view, full 50% MP advantage may beat it by 2 stops, maybe even 2.5 usable stops.
I did not expect this at all. :'(
(the high iso side of things should turn out more favorable though, most likely)
Ricku said:LetTheRightLensIn said:disappointing results at ISO 100:
banding:
horizontal banding appears to be entirely removed, this is good, and will help make ISO look better and get less badly clumped chroma noise and all but vertical banding appears to be zero improved and it shows up enough that I don't think you gain any usable amount of low ISO DR back compared to the 5D2
so for low ISO I'm not sure the removal of horizontal banding alone will really help usable DR any since the vertical sticks out to the eye just as much, maybe here on there on parts of the image it might help
DR:
5D2: 15760,1024,6.1 AU,3.8 8MP normalized ADU, DR - 11.2 , DR8MP - 11.9
5D3: 15309 (maybe the channels were still not quite blown though?),2048, 6.6 ADU, 6.4 normalized to 5D2 6.4 and then to 8MP 3.96, DR- 11.0 DRto5D2 - 11.0 DR8MP - 11.7
and let us say WP should be 15760 instead then DR8MP - 11.8
and let us even say it should be max 14bit 16383 - 11.8
so I actually get fractionally worse DR than for the 5D2, but it's for all intents, the exact same, within copy to copy variation and well within any difference you'd be able to notice
Sad to say but even the DX D7000 handily beats the latest Canon FF for DR, and not by a little. The D800, at 100% view, full 50% MP advantage may beat it by 2 stops, maybe even 2.5 usable stops.
I did not expect this at all. :'(
(the high iso side of things should turn out more favorable though, most likely)
This is exactly what I have found out from my own tests.
What were Canon thinking? :-\
Ricku said:LetTheRightLensIn said:disappointing results at ISO 100:
banding:
horizontal banding appears to be entirely removed, this is good, and will help make ISO look better and get less badly clumped chroma noise and all but vertical banding appears to be zero improved and it shows up enough that I don't think you gain any usable amount of low ISO DR back compared to the 5D2
so for low ISO I'm not sure the removal of horizontal banding alone will really help usable DR any since the vertical sticks out to the eye just as much, maybe here on there on parts of the image it might help
DR:
5D2: 15760,1024,6.1 AU,3.8 8MP normalized ADU, DR - 11.2 , DR8MP - 11.9
5D3: 15309 (maybe the channels were still not quite blown though?),2048, 6.6 ADU, 6.4 normalized to 5D2 6.4 and then to 8MP 3.96, DR- 11.0 DRto5D2 - 11.0 DR8MP - 11.7
and let us say WP should be 15760 instead then DR8MP - 11.8
and let us even say it should be max 14bit 16383 - 11.8
so I actually get fractionally worse DR than for the 5D2, but it's for all intents, the exact same, within copy to copy variation and well within any difference you'd be able to notice
Sad to say but even the DX D7000 handily beats the latest Canon FF for DR, and not by a little. The D800, at 100% view, full 50% MP advantage may beat it by 2 stops, maybe even 2.5 usable stops.
I did not expect this at all. :'(
(the high iso side of things should turn out more favorable though, most likely)
This is exactly what I have found out from my own tests.
What were Canon thinking? :-\
LetTheRightLensIn said:disappointing results at ISO 100:
banding:
horizontal banding appears to be entirely removed, this is good, and will help make ISO look better and get less badly clumped chroma noise and all but vertical banding appears to be zero improved and it shows up enough that I don't think you gain any usable amount of low ISO DR back compared to the 5D2
so for low ISO I'm not sure the removal of horizontal banding alone will really help usable DR any since the vertical sticks out to the eye just as much, maybe here on there on parts of the image it might help
DR:
5D2: 15760,1024,6.1 AU,3.8 8MP normalized ADU, DR - 11.2 , DR8MP - 11.9
5D3: 15309 (maybe the channels were still not quite blown though?),2048, 6.6 ADU, 6.4 normalized to 5D2 6.4 and then to 8MP 3.96, DR- 11.0 DRto5D2 - 11.0 DR8MP - 11.7
and let us say WP should be 15760 instead then DR8MP - 11.8
and let us even say it should be max 14bit 16383 - 11.8
so I actually get fractionally worse DR than for the 5D2, but it's for all intents, the exact same, within copy to copy variation and well within any difference you'd be able to notice
Sad to say but even the DX D7000 handily beats the latest Canon FF for DR, and not by a little. The D800, at 100% view, full 50% MP advantage may beat it by 2 stops, maybe even 2.5 usable stops.
I did not expect this at all. :'(
(the high iso side of things should turn out more favorable though, most likely)
WarStreet said:I am disgusted with the results. Will look at DXO measurments when out, but I am afraid that they won't be significantly different from yours. Do you confirm that DR has improved @ the high ISO's ?
DavidRiesenberg said:WarStreet said:I am disgusted with the results.
Isn't this a bit extreme?
WarStreet said:DavidRiesenberg said:WarStreet said:I am disgusted with the results.
Isn't this a bit extreme?
Yes might be, I am not english native. So, what should I say which is less severe than disgusting ? Not happy is just too soft, for 3.5 years.