5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws

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wickidwombat

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So I spent about 8 hours doing this last night
3 tests, all ISO 100

test 1 - the AF micro adjust method using the canon utility
test 2 - shooting a test chart off a tripod
test 3 - handholding a shot to confirm

all tests using center point only
I also turned off the in camera lens correction stuff
anyway all the exif data is there

test 1 and 2 lit by 4 5500K constant lights & shoot through umbrellas
test 3 ambient tungsten light at night

lenses tested
16-35 f2.8 II
50mm 1.4
Sigma 85mm 1.4
100 f2.8L IS Macro
70-200 f2.8L IS II
300 f4L (i had to bump iso on test 3 up to 800 for these being hand held)

I didnt test the 24-105 because my wife was out and had the lens but i will do it and add it in

during this i discovered to my horror that the kenko DGX teleplus 1.4 teleconverter does not work on the 5Dmk3
nice of canon to kill that for me :( :'(

Overall I feel the images are sharper however I think the 5Dmk2 still beats the 5Dmk3
I have not done any detailed manual focusing tests yet and havent done any more AI servo tests using the 70-200 yet either... maybe tonight.

Anyway happy downloading and comparing.

https://rapidshare.com/files/2532280826/5D2-300_1.4-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/688365335/5D2-300_1.4-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/293818645/5D2-1635-35-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1900808145/5D2-1635-35-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3450698187/5D2-1635-35-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/998887751/5D2-1636-16-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/866433089/5D2-1636-16-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2583949155/5D2-1636-16-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1349004263/5D2-3004-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/531251974/5D2-3004-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3518966774/5D2-3004-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1402064248/5D2-5014-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2698699281/5D2-5014-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1539125355/5D2-5014-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1516336128/5D2-8514-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1265030667/5D2-8514-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3764730766/5D2-10028-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2542397230/5D2-10028-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2887136406/5D2-10028-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1684830024/5D2-70200-70-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2058375265/5D2-70200-70-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2108573414/5D2-70200-70-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2642938368/5D2-70200-200-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2365621055/5D2-70200-200-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3294846887/5D2-70200-200-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4041552945/5D3-1635-35-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2756571199/5D3-1635-35-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/826883819/5D3-1635-35-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3823954061/5D3-1636-16-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/458182903/5D3-1636-16-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3094906950/5D3-1636-16-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/753049108/5D3-3004-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2390032328/5D3-3004-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2690616385/5D3-3004-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1194966321/5D3-5014-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/817624826/5D3-5014-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1151533499/5D3-5014-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3404079805/5D3-8514-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/938434850/5D3-8514-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2192175632/5D3-8514-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4287441507/5D3-10028-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/31147334/5D3-10028-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3339273579/5D3-10028-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4069088269/5D3-70200-70-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/383302158/5D3-70200-70-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3045871511/5D3-70200-70-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/193466436/5D3-70200-200-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/865414958/5D3-70200-200-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4191357456/5D3-70200-200-test3.CR2
 
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sleepnever said:
Provide a single .rar file ...nobody wants to hit RapidShare and wait X seconds for free users for each file.
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I did it that way in case people only wanted to get specific body lens combos and not download the whole gig
the filenames clearly show which body and which lens it is for

sheesh tough crowd, I'm not going to bother posting any more of my testing
 
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Thanks for posting. I couldn't view them all day (at work = no photoshop nor access to file sharing sites). I'm going to try to use a DL manager to hopefully grab them overnight.

Can you elaborate on "Overall I feel the images are sharper however I think the 5Dmk2 still beats the 5Dmk3"?

Meaning the 3 is sharper given equivalent glass (maybe due to the slight resolution increase), but the 2 is better elsewhere (DR, color, etc)?
 
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Give us your summary of the results. Then we will download them go over them with a fine tooth comb, and nitpick them to death :)

Thanks for all the work, and I know its a lot of work that I've been putting off. I've done just enough testing to satisfy myself that I can take very sharp and detailed images with my 5D MK III, and next, I need to adjust it for some of my too many lenses, and use it!!
 
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Executive summary:

I dont know if its still the raw converter being funny but I still think the 5D2 images are sharper, there is definately no mind blowing improvement at ISO100 at very best it's going to be line ball.
Before i started this test i did turn off all NR and the aberation reduction etc just incase any of that shinanigans affected the raws.

TEST 1 files are the best
TEST 2 shows this method of doing AFMA isnt the most accurate compared to test 1
TEST 3 just handheld shots as acheck most are at minimum shutter speed due to low light still I managed to keep it to iso 100 for all lenses except the 300f4L (they are a bit under exposed though)
 
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Wickid, thanks for your work! You are spending hours of honorable effort! I admit I can't download your RAW files as I still can't open them, no ACR, no DPP, Aperture only. But don't think we are not listening!
 
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Thank-you for the hard work.

I took a look at the 70-200 @ 70 Test 1 shots on a NEC PA241 wide gamut.

I notice that the white balance is different - the 5DmII at 4450 and the 5DmIII at 4600.

Attached a couple crops from the same images, 5DmII on top, 5DmIII on bottom.

Sharpness - They are very close, but I do see some artifact/pattern on the 5DmII side - especially in the "10" section. Its slightly there on the 5DmIII. Zoom up on the "9" and you'll see definite diagonal banding on the 5DmII. To be fair, it looks like the shots were not exactly the same size as the 5DmIII looks a bit wider (see the right side lineup).

Color - Also very close, but the very subtle shading - the stain above the "S" and the blue stripes, look fuller / slightly more saturated on the 5DmIII. The red blocks on the 5DmII look redder - could be the white balance.

Now this is just one sample crop. Interested in other analysis.

Please note, I used Adobe DNG Converter to clean process the 5DmIII CR2's. Its a clean convert I understand.
 

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Did the same crop on Test 1 of the 100 / 2.8 Again, 5DmII on top, 5DmIII on bottom.

Sharpness looks the same (the 5DmIII shot is slightly wider).

Color - liking the color rendering on the 5DmIII.

Note, White Balance 5DmII is 4350, 5DmIII is 4600.

Really really close at ISO 100.
 

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@Wicki - thanks for this work! It's good here to find such people sharing their time and effort. Great job!

From your overall impression I read it as you feel with 5d3 comparing to 5d2 like people with 7d comparing to 50d - very comparable image quality but improved usability like AF. Am I here right? Are you glad with your 5d3 or something dissapointed with image quality as far (comparing to 5d2)?
 
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So the takeaway here seems to be... if you are going to be using the camera in-studio with controlled lighting and f-stops undemanding of autofocus abilities, you're not going to gain a lot for your extra $1400. That's completely fair.
 
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wickidwombat said:
sleepnever said:
Provide a single .rar file ...nobody wants to hit RapidShare and wait X seconds for free users for each file.
Click to expand...

I did it that way in case people only wanted to get specific body lens combos and not download the whole gig
the filenames clearly show which body and which lens it is for

sheesh tough crowd, I'm not going to bother posting any more of my testing
Click to expand...

Ignore him, wombat... the rest of us appreciate it...

if you could take the time to provide raws for us, those of us who do want to take a look can take the time to download them
 
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wickidwombat said:
Executive summary:

I dont know if its still the raw converter being funny but I still think the 5D2 images are sharper, there is definately no mind blowing improvement at ISO100 at very best it's going to be line ball.
Before i started this test i did turn off all NR and the aberation reduction etc just incase any of that shinanigans affected the raws.

TEST 1 files are the best
TEST 2 shows this method of doing AFMA isnt the most accurate compared to test 1
TEST 3 just handheld shots as acheck most are at minimum shutter speed due to low light still I managed to keep it to iso 100 for all lenses except the 300f4L (they are a bit under exposed though)
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Thanks Wicki! I wonder if the sharpness difference we are all seing between mkII and mkIII could be due to the RAW converter? Also, you mentionned you turned off the lens correction in camera, did you have a chance to see if the in camera lens correction impact the sharpness of the mkIII?

I am still puzzeled why the mkII had the edge on sharpness...
 
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smirkypants said:
So the takeaway here seems to be... if you are going to be using the camera in-studio with controlled lighting and f-stops undemanding of autofocus abilities, you're not going to gain a lot for your extra $1400. That's completely fair.
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There again, if you want an all round camera to suit a wide range of applications, it might well be worth the extra. For me, the general build quality and weather sealing alone would justify the additional cost. I've never owned a 5DMkII, but I've held one and the 5DMkIII just feels better in my hand, a feel much closer to my 1DMkII. Insofar as IQ is concerned, I'm comparing more to the 1DMkII, which is the camera I'm upgrading from ... and it's no less than a sea change! 5DMkII users upgrading to the 5DMkIII won't see much if any difference in sharpness, except perhaps at very high ISO speeds (as I think neuroanatomist pointed out in another thread). Pesonally, I'm really struggling to find fault with most if not all of the 5DMkIII sample images that have been posted so far. My monitor is a regularly calibrated Eizo ColorEdge CG245W, so I don't think it's lacking in any way. I really think, although it's entirely understandable, there's just too much "pixel peeping" going on* Has anyone produce any actual physical prints from the 5DMkIII yet? I suspect that will be a more telling test of IQ?

* not in any way intended to be a personal dig at wickidwombat (for the avoidance of doubt) :)
 
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wickidwombat said:
during this i discovered to my horror that the kenko DGX teleplus 1.4 teleconverter does not work on the 5Dmk3
nice of canon to kill that for me :( :'(
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Just wondering if the Kenko teleplus pro 300 2x dgx" has received the same fate in case you have it.
 
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