5DIV price confirmed
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weixing said:
If you want to say that service costs a bit, ok. I pay gladly for that. But taking that logic leads us to believe that Canon USA service has a non existing or inferior service compared to the EU service because of the lower price of the product????? Or what was the point of that statement?
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According to dutytaxcalculator website there is 0% import duty on digital camera's when importing to the US, Canada and the UK. However, US has an average total sales tax of around 9% compared to UK VAT of 20%, so there should at least be an 11% discrepancy.
I understand that US prices are usually shown pre-tax, and UK are post-tax.
Doing a quick calculation based on todays exchange rates means that in the UK the camera will be: £3155. Now in the US it'll cost on average £2883 (£2645 + 9%), but adding an extra 20% to the US listed price after currency conversion (to compensate for the extra tax paid) would yield a cost of £3174, so taking VAT/sales tax into account the camera is on sale for nearly equal cost.
Now this is likely just due to the post-Brexit low pound, as normally the camera's are cheaper in the US, but at these prices importing one from the USA would be more expensive than buying locally.
I normally pre-order any new 5D series body, but for the Mark IV I think I'll wait and pick one up in Canada in October as I think their sales tax is around 5%?
I understand that US prices are usually shown pre-tax, and UK are post-tax.
Doing a quick calculation based on todays exchange rates means that in the UK the camera will be: £3155. Now in the US it'll cost on average £2883 (£2645 + 9%), but adding an extra 20% to the US listed price after currency conversion (to compensate for the extra tax paid) would yield a cost of £3174, so taking VAT/sales tax into account the camera is on sale for nearly equal cost.
Now this is likely just due to the post-Brexit low pound, as normally the camera's are cheaper in the US, but at these prices importing one from the USA would be more expensive than buying locally.
I normally pre-order any new 5D series body, but for the Mark IV I think I'll wait and pick one up in Canada in October as I think their sales tax is around 5%?
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Most of the profit earned by local national Canon importers comes from business equipment, laser printers and so forth. Cameras form a relatively minor part of their business bottom line. Most of the criticism in this thread of Canon's business model is naive.
We'd all like to get a 5D MkIV for the price of a 7D MkII, but live with the realities and either pay the asking price and get to work taking great photos or quit the reactive, uninformed chatter and keep shooting with your current camera.
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We'd all like to get a 5D MkIV for the price of a 7D MkII, but live with the realities and either pay the asking price and get to work taking great photos or quit the reactive, uninformed chatter and keep shooting with your current camera.
-pw
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Hello everyone!
Just curious if anyone has seen pricing information regarding the 5DIV release in Japan? I have asked Google and done some trawling, but I haven't found anything so far!
Thanks...
Just curious if anyone has seen pricing information regarding the 5DIV release in Japan? I have asked Google and done some trawling, but I haven't found anything so far!
Thanks...
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Not sure how things are in the US or elsewhere, but here in Germany, and Europe in general as far as I know, the retail prices usually drop pretty quickly (except for the 1D series), the 80D for example sells for about 80% of its msrp today. If it really comes at 3700€ I'd expect the 5D IV to drop to ~3300€ including VAT before Christmas.Lesmen27 said:
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Interesting...Price is the same at launch or slightly less expensive than my 5DIII... I paid the release price last time for a very specific update on the 5DIII and choked, or should I say my bank account did and I paid the price. I have no dire need for this new body...it is actually over-kill for my needs, so I plan to wait until it drops to $1800 grey market. It will.
I also have decided to buy the new Olympus EM1 II and this will be available in the same time frame as the 5DMark IV. I use that system more and more as it is so small and light and getting better and better for my photo needs.
This looks like a great camera...but I just to not have the G.A.S. for it at that price....YAY!...I can wait for once...
I also have decided to buy the new Olympus EM1 II and this will be available in the same time frame as the 5DMark IV. I use that system more and more as it is so small and light and getting better and better for my photo needs.
This looks like a great camera...but I just to not have the G.A.S. for it at that price....YAY!...I can wait for once...
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Yep, it's a sellers market. Canon will trickle a low amount of 5D4's across the UK market...and various camera geeks (who must have the latest gear to be taken seriously) will lap them up at what ever price is being charged for them. Once supply stabilises and overpriced / undersupply market have their cameras....then the price will start to descend. The 5D3 was selling for around £3100 UKP on launch. Now I can snap one up at nearly half that (Hdew cameras). So wait a year, and you'll pay a £1000 less. Or buy today, post a blog and have your website crash.
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The high 5D4 Euro price would be okay if Canon would implement many of the nice features the Sony A7R2 for example has since 1.5 years for less money.
With the limited amount of features the price is 20-30% too high, especially as this model will last for another 4 years and will be outdated and outperformed by many other cheaper models from other brands during that time and even very soon.
Canon knows that this DSLR will be the last camera with mirror many DSLR-users will buy forever, so of course they milk every last cent out of customers until they present their own mirrorless large sensor product variations.
When prices are set to the maximum like in this case, Canon should be aware that users will show less and less brand loyalty in the future. In the longterm the price policies will not pay off.
With the limited amount of features the price is 20-30% too high, especially as this model will last for another 4 years and will be outdated and outperformed by many other cheaper models from other brands during that time and even very soon.
Canon knows that this DSLR will be the last camera with mirror many DSLR-users will buy forever, so of course they milk every last cent out of customers until they present their own mirrorless large sensor product variations.
When prices are set to the maximum like in this case, Canon should be aware that users will show less and less brand loyalty in the future. In the longterm the price policies will not pay off.
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US prices are usually listed without sales tax, while in Europe prices are listed including sales tax.Lesmen27 said:
Google converts $3500 to approximately €3106. Sales tax in Germany (for example) is 19%, so €3106*1.19 = €3696.14, pretty much the €3700 price that's rumored. I'm still hoping for €3500 retail, but we'll see tomorrow.
Usually I'd say you are right, but that doesn't seem to hold true in the professional market. I know you already excluded the 1D series (which afaik is only sold by professional retailers, not much pricing competition there). But if you take a look at the price development history of the 5D3, 5Ds and 5DsR according to the price comparison page "geizhals.de" you'll also see only minor drops..jan said:
For the 5D Mark III Wikipedia lists a retail launch price of "$3,499 in the US [...] and €3569 in the Eurozone". Not sure if that's really true.
http://geizhals.de/?phist=744163
The page actually lists the earliest prices in March at ~€3300, with a drop to ~€2800 right before Christmas ( that's 9 months later). During the first 3 months it dropped "only" to €3000.
For the 5Ds / 5Ds R Wikipedia lists the retail price at $3700 and $3900 (no Euro retail price given). Anyway
http://geizhals.de/?phist=1227506
The page lists the 5Ds starting at €3500 in March with a drop to €3350 before Christmas
The page lists the 5Ds R starting at €3700 in March with a drop to €3500 before Christmas
I know with the 5D4 it could all be different, but I wouldn't assume a price drop of €400 within the first 3 months. However, if the Camera retails at €3500 (as I'm still hoping), then a price of €3300 by Christmas sounds perfectly reasonable, as we've seen €200-€300 pricedrops within the first 3 months with other professional Canon cameras.
Boy, that took longer to type than I expected.
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I just hope that in 9 months time the price will have reduced by a noticeable amount.
Either that or I'll have to spend the next 9 months convincing myself that the money is secondary to the pleasure that I'll get.
I could spend £10/day for the next 9 months, puffing away at ciggies (@£10 per pack of 20 per day) worrying about whether I should buy the 5DIV or not.
Hold on, I'm not a smoker, so by then I will have saved £2750 just by not being a smoker. Wow, that camera is cheap by comparison!
This "convincing myself" is easier than I thought it would be!
Either that or I'll have to spend the next 9 months convincing myself that the money is secondary to the pleasure that I'll get.
I could spend £10/day for the next 9 months, puffing away at ciggies (@£10 per pack of 20 per day) worrying about whether I should buy the 5DIV or not.
Hold on, I'm not a smoker, so by then I will have saved £2750 just by not being a smoker. Wow, that camera is cheap by comparison!
This "convincing myself" is easier than I thought it would be!
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Fact is, the EU with over 500 million people is a larger single market than the USA with only about 322 million people; there are no transport barriers in the EU, it's a single market. Even the Eurozone, with the Euro as the common currency has around 337 million people, and is larger than the USA...Maiaibing said:
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douglaurent said:
Yeah, because that suggestion is backed up by so much empirical data, like the fact that Canon continues to gain market share with their mostly-dSLR lineup, and the fact that the global MILC market is not growing, and the fact that smaller sensor MILCs continue to far outsell their FF MILC counterparts.
Of course, if by "many DSLR-users" you mean the tiny minority of Canon's 5-series user base who are Sony fanbois that hang out on the internet too much, then maybe you're right.
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In the UK the 5DS launched at £ 2,999, the 5DSr at £ 3199. Within six months the 5DS could be had for £ 2699 but the 5DSr remained at £ 3,199. Now they typically sell for 5DS £ 2699 and the 5DSr at £ 2899. Within that period sterling has dropped by 20% in value i.e. since June 2016.
Canon will launch the 5D MKIV I would imagine at between £ 3100 / £ 3199, over time I see this going down to £ 2499 / £ 2599 keeping the premium on the larger MP cameras (they will be updated with the same housing as the IV over time). The 5D MKIII is at 2299.
Canon will launch the 5D MKIV I would imagine at between £ 3100 / £ 3199, over time I see this going down to £ 2499 / £ 2599 keeping the premium on the larger MP cameras (they will be updated with the same housing as the IV over time). The 5D MKIII is at 2299.
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