5DIV price confirmed

[tron]

Canon knows that this DSLR will be the last camera with mirror many DSLR-users will buy forever, so of course they milk every last cent out of customers until they present their own mirrorless large sensor product variations.

Yeah, because that suggestion is backed up by so much empirical data, like the fact that Canon continues to gain market share with their mostly-dSLR lineup, and the fact that the global MILC market is not growing, and the fact that smaller sensor MILCs continue to far outsell their FF MILC counterparts.

Of course, if by "many DSLR-users" you mean the tiny minority of Canon's 5-series user base who are Sony fanbois that hang out on the internet too much, then maybe you're right.

Some of which may not even own a Sony camera. Or even a Canon... ;D

 

[romanr74]

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Canon USA has to pay for all the local employee salaries, benefits, insurance, buildings, USA federal and state taxes, warranty repair, local marketing, local legal and accounting services, and distribution.

on top of that retailers have to pay for employees, advertising, taxes,etc,etc.

did you think all that was no cost?

I think you're not reading what I'm writing. As I said before, it is Canon's job to minimize all of this - these costs aren't my problem, they're Canon's (and/or the retailer's.) I couldn't care less if Canon outsourced its legal and accounting to India.

It is save to believe that this is exactly what they do where it is useful to keep costs low. However, they would be completely insane if they gave the savings away via price reductions. Price is determined to be as high as economically useful depening on price sensitivity/elasticity (not a low as possible). You're confusing capitalism with the other concept, the red one...

 

[tron]

OK, I know which Christmas (or post-Christmas) present I will buy to .. myself.

5DIV + 24-105 II

It will not be cheap but I will partially exchange my 5DIII + 24-105


Hope this is enough time for a bug to appear and to be fixed .. ;D

 

[Diko]

Going by shipping documents to India, $3499 is more than twice the value of the camera internally at Canon.

Can you please explain?

 

[jeffa4444]

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IMO .. you're being ridiculous.

Canon USA for instance has to pay out salaries, taxes, warranty repair, CPS, etc,etc out of it's own pockets and in local currency.
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No, you're being ridiculous. All of these costs are Canon's problem to minimize or eliminate. I want a camera, not a salesman to tell me how good it is. If CPS is a valuable service then people will pay for it - why should the price of CPS be built into my camera if I never use CPS? What it effectively means is that people who never use CPS discount the cost of CPS for those that do.

Your displaying a complete idiots guide to business. Canon regional offices are customers of Canon Japan, under GAAP they must operate to a degree at arms length. Canon Japan does not support your warranty, the region or country you bought it in does (think of a car dealer & you car warranty). Canon Europa for instance then deals with Canon UK, between them they set the UK price, this includes a % for the services Canon UK & Europa provide (sales & marketing, admin, training to dealers, warranty repairs & support for CPS etc.) without these functions you would not get a camera from your dealer like any other product you purchase (like a cooker, hairdryer etc).
If you think for one minute Canon would run its business with inflated overheads you clearly have never been around a corporate run company. They charge a premium so they can deliver reliable products that if they do go wrong can be serviced quickly & cost affectively.

In the end you have a choice if you don't like the price, don't buy.

 

[jeanluc]

The sales tax in most parts of Canada is a LOT more than 5%.

 

[Diko]

3499$ vs 3700€ WTF? Taking into account the latest exchange rate 3499$ will make 3102 €. Whats up here? Milking the cow? Or is 3499$ before tax and 3700€ including tax?

Yep. I think we in Europe are obviously considered to be idiots that are willing to pay big money. And most perhaps are.

Can anyone provide a link of the 5D3 price history. What was the situatuon with the mainstream greymarket ebay resellers?

I might not buy so blindly after all ))))

 

[smorgo]

Is anyone else bemused by the fact that this thread (and several of the others) seems to be half-filled with people with a sense of entitlement to own this new camera at whatever price they see fit?

I'm expecting it to retail for £3299 in the UK. That's a little more expensive than in the US, taking into account the effect of sales tax-vs-VAT, but that's the premium we pay for not having to be American. You get used to it.

£3299 is expensive, but a fair price, in my opinion. Fortunately, it coincides with being able to pay for one, for a change.

 

[SteveM]

I see this coming in at £3499 in the UK....exchange rate in the UK has always seemed to be one I'm unaware of.

 

[rpritch]

Although I am a bit disappointed with the USD price point, I have decided to preorder the Mark IV. I have never had a full-frame camera, but I believe now is a good time. I have three weddings booked this fall, and I feel that this will help a great deal. While I was considering the Mark III, I feel that the price difference is justifiable. I shoot a great deal of wildlife (using a 7d Mark II), and the increased resolution of the Mark IV should make cropping more feasible. Also, having just opened a studio, the tethering capabilities provided by wifi will be immensely helpful.

 

[tron]

Is anyone else bemused by the fact that this thread (and several of the others) seems to be half-filled with people with a sense of entitlement to own this new camera at whatever price they see fit?

I'm expecting it to retail for £3299 in the UK. That's a little more expensive than in the US, taking into account the effect of sales tax-vs-VAT, but that's the premium we pay for not having to be American. You get used to it.

£3299 is expensive, but a fair price, in my opinion. Fortunately, it coincides with being able to pay for one, for a change.

There are some ways to pay less.

1st We wait a few months. This has the added advantage that it will reveal any possible bugs.
2nd We part exchange our older equipment
3rd We buy grey

Plus some combinations of the above

 

[CanoKnight]

Going by shipping documents to India, $3499 is more than twice the value of the camera internally at Canon.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30537.msg616526#msg616526

That doesn't disagree with what I said above, rather just illustrates all of the middlemen that take a cut

Canon should get rid of Canon USA and sell direct from their factory in Oita ! In the rare event warranty work is required, Canon Jpn should have support centers in low cost third countries. Will be a slight in convenience for US buyers but potentially big cost savings. The 5d4 is a $ 2400 camera selling for 3500.

 

[slclick]

Since this is what the Mk3 started at and anyone who hasn't been in a cave knows that prices fall post launch why is this starting point a surprise? Why all the discord? Buy or don't.

 

[hne]

5DmkIII price history in the UK: http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?pu=1155598
5DmkIII price history in Sweden: http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?pu=1155598
...New Zeeland: http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?pu=1155598
...Germany: http://geizhals.de/?phist=744163
...Across the Euro area: http://geizhals.de/?phist=744163

These are lowest publicly advertised price per day. Excluding mail-in rebate schemes, campaign codes and similar. In short, the price a brick-and-mortar store might be expected to match if you ask politely.

3499$ vs 3700€ WTF? Taking into account the latest exchange rate 3499$ will make 3102 €. Whats up here? Milking the cow? Or is 3499$ before tax and 3700€ including tax?

Yep. I think we in Europe are obviously considered to be idiots that are willing to pay big money. And most perhaps are.

Can anyone provide a link of the 5D3 price history. What was the situatuon with the mainstream greymarket ebay resellers?

I might not buy so blindly after all ))))

 

[rrcphoto]

Canon should get rid of Canon USA and sell direct from their factory in Oita ! In the rare event warranty work is required, Canon Jpn should have support centers in low cost third countries. Will be a slight in convenience for US buyers but potentially big cost savings. The 5d4 is a $ 2400 camera selling for 3500.

I'm thinking my sarcasm meter is broken..

 

[smorgo]

There are some ways to pay less.

1st We wait a few months. This has the added advantage that it will may reveal any possible bugs.

Yes, there's some sense there. However, it doesn't take long before you reach the point where it might be better to wait for the next version. For the past two years, I've been on the verge of buying the Mark 3, but always knew I'd regret not waiting for the Mark 4, which was obviously 'just around the corner'. Turned out to be a bloody big corner, that one.

2nd We part exchange our older equipment

I'm still on my Mark 1, which is worth sod all, these days.

3rd We buy grey

I bought grey when the 20D came out. I won't again. In the UK at least, you only save significant coin buying grey if you can avoid the VAT. If you declare it, and pay the VAT, you've not saved a significant amount, but you've got no dealer support and no warranty. If you don't declare it and Customs take an interest (they can tell the originating market from the serial number), they don't bill you for the unpaid VAT; they confiscate the goods. So while the probability of being caught is low, the exposure if you're caught is high. Each time you enter the country, you run the risk of being caught. But if you never take your camera abroad, the odds are excellent. Too risky for me, but suits many.

Personally, I've waited too long and can't wait any longer. The limited utility of my Mark 1 outside the studio (which I no longer have) is stopping me take pictures. I need to find my mojo again and, being someone who got into photography through a love of the technology, I think I'm all but there, this time.

 

[CanoKnight]

Is anyone else bemused by the fact that this thread (and several of the others) seems to be half-filled with people with a sense of entitlement to own this new camera at whatever price they see fit?

I'm expecting it to retail for £3299 in the UK. That's a little more expensive than in the US, taking into account the effect of sales tax-vs-VAT, but that's the premium we pay for not having to be American. You get used to it.

£3299 is expensive, but a fair price, in my opinion. Fortunately, it coincides with being able to pay for one, for a change.

There are some ways to pay less.

1st We wait a few months. This has the added advantage that it will may reveal any possible bugs.
2nd We part exchange our older equipment
3rd We buy grey

Plus some combinations of the above

Absolutely buy gray. I stopped buying new usa products from retailers years ago and never had a problem. My 5d3 cost me 1899 brand new and it's working wonderfully. The 5d4 should be down to the upper 20s in a year or so.

 

[wockawocka]

Is anyone else bemused by the fact that this thread (and several of the others) seems to be half-filled with people with a sense of entitlement to own this new camera at whatever price they see fit?

I'm expecting it to retail for £3299 in the UK. That's a little more expensive than in the US, taking into account the effect of sales tax-vs-VAT, but that's the premium we pay for not having to be American. You get used to it.

£3299 is expensive, but a fair price, in my opinion. Fortunately, it coincides with being able to pay for one, for a change.

3k though and I'll be carding 2 of them

 

[symmar22]

Canon should get rid of Canon USA and sell direct from their factory in Oita ! In the rare event warranty work is required, Canon Jpn should have support centers in low cost third countries. Will be a slight in convenience for US buyers but potentially big cost savings. The 5d4 is a $ 2400 camera selling for 3500.

Not sure I should answer this one, but as a pro, CPS is one of the very main reasons for buying Canon. I can't afford to have repairs done in India with a 6 weeks turnover.

Maybe one should replace YOUR job with one in a low cost country, it wouldn't be a huge inconvenience for me....

 

[unfocused]

Canon should get rid of Canon USA and sell direct from their factory in Oita ! In the rare event warranty work is required, Canon Jpn should have support centers in low cost third countries. Will be a slight in convenience for US buyers but potentially big cost savings. The 5d4 is a $ 2400 camera selling for 3500.

I'm thinking my sarcasm meter is broken..

Same here. I presume this was sarcastic, because no one could be crazy enough to believe this – it's even beyond our cubicle dwelling cartoon character.