5DIV price confirmed

[Etienne]

This launch price is expected. There will be Christmas sales, and a price reduction at most large retailers within 6 - 12 months.

If I remember right, the 5D3 came out at US$3300.
I bought it about 6 months after launch at US$2750 from B&H.

 

[unfocused]

This thread proves to me that people on the internet will always find something to complain about.

This camera is being introduced at the same price the previous model was introduced at. Yet, it is a significantly better camera in all respects. Although inflation has been low for the past several years, it's pretty hard to find any product that is significantly improved and yet introduced at the same price as a predecessor.

Plus, it's not as though the laws of economics have suddenly been repealed. Eventually, the market will set the price and if you don't want to pay the manufacturer's suggested price, wait six months or so for the market to set the price.

All this discussion by people who think they know what the price should be is based on ignorance, misinformation and over inflated egos. The market always wins and by that, I mean, the market always sets the price.

 

[.jan]

3499$ vs 3700€ WTF? Taking into account the latest exchange rate 3499$ will make 3102 €. Whats up here? Milking the cow? Or is 3499$ before tax and 3700€ including tax?

Yep. I think we in Europe are obviously considered to be idiots that are willing to pay big money. And most perhaps are.

Can anyone provide a link of the 5D3 price history. What was the situatuon with the mainstream greymarket ebay resellers?

I might not buy so blindly after all ))))

The mentioned 3102€ plus VAT (19% here in Germany) would add up to 3691€. I don't see us pay more money. More taxes perhaps, but that's it.

 

[sdsr]

Since this is what the Mk3 started at and anyone who hasn't been in a cave knows that prices fall post launch why is this starting point a surprise? Why all the discord? Buy or don't.

Well, yes, but that's a sensible reaction.... If anything, one should perhaps be pleasantly surprised that a superior (I assume it is, at least) successor costs the same in absolute terms as, and less in real terms than, a new 5DIII did.

(Compare the difference in price between a Sony a7r and a7rII - I bought the latter anyway, didn't have to, love it and don't regret buying it, wish it hadn't cost so much more but didn't go online and whine about it, making bizarre claims about how capitalism works and how Sony should run its business in the process....)

 

[Jack Douglas]

I started reading and then realized this thread was infected by the Dilbert virus, so I'm out of here. I should have run scan and clean first.

Jack

 

[rrcphoto]

3499$ vs 3700€ WTF? Taking into account the latest exchange rate 3499$ will make 3102 €. Whats up here? Milking the cow? Or is 3499$ before tax and 3700€ including tax?

does the EU pricing have to be stickied in every thread to reduce these kind of posts?

everyone in the EU should know advertised prices include VAT.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

OK, I know which Christmas (or post-Christmas) present I will buy to .. myself.

5DIV + 24-105 II

It will not be cheap but I will partially exchange my 5DIII + 24-105


Hope this is enough time for a bug to appear and to be fixed .. ;D

You never know...Adobe might get a raw converter working for it by then in Lightroom and Photoshop.

 

[K]

$3,500 is too high.

$3,200 would have been a more reasonable release price.


I never buy a camera right when it comes out.

I'm going to let all the suckers preorder it and pay Canon retail. They can also beta-test it, figure out all the bugs or issues if any - which will lead to an early firmware update which is common for many cameras. By that time, there will be hundreds of reviews and RAW files out there for sampling the actual performance of the camera. And....most software will be updated to be able to read said RAW files. Although, software updates will come very quick - well before any price drop.

By Christmas, it ought to be down to the more reasonable $3,200, at least via a sale or with some rebate. If not, then surely in the January/February sales doldrums.

That said, after determining the real-world performance and deciding if it is a worthy upgrade, I'll be purchasing at a slightly lower price, with the kinks ironed out and full software support.


The 5DSR was even more expensive on release, and there were tons of preorders. However, it quickly dropped in price. Most of the preorders are electronics enthusiasts who have to have the latest and greatest first, and all of the bloggers and vloggers who make a living off of Youtube putting up reviews. Once these nuts are out of the way and real end users become the market, the price will decrease as real end users are not in any hurry because they know the 5D4 isn't some solution to a problem. It's merely an evolutionary step up. I don't think any genuine photographer is going to lose a single penny by not instantly upgrading to the 5D4. Youtuber's do lose money. First reviews, most watches, most clicks --

 

[calotype]

I forgot the first price of 5D mk 3 ( that i never bought), but what I see is:

-I bought my MK II from the 5D line right at it's launch : 2300 € taxes included !!!
-The "upgrade" MK III was around +1000€ so 3100 € ( with almost nothing really more than the MKII , a better AF ? electronic leveler, 100% viewfinder from 98%, and some other minor stuff I forget) which was an upDATE not an upGRADE. An upDATE doen't justify a drop price base.
- Came up the 5DS/DSR with actually is around 3790/3990€
- Now is coming MKIV at 3700 € ???????? what ?

To me the upGRADE with more things like touch screen+WIFI+GPS+VIDEOoptions etc ( which are cool ) is an real upGRADE that justify a drop price, but from the 5Dmk II not from the MKIII which never justify the previous and insane drop price which now is sadly a " price in mind reference" for 5D line whereas is should not !

All this because of the 6D ...
To me 3700€ for the 5D line with all those built-in upgrades should be a new line like a " 3DmkI"

Really hope the price will go down quickly !

 

[Maiaibing]

Its a large single market with a single currency and no transport barriers - Europe is (still) not.

Fact is, the EU with over 500 million people is a larger single market than the USA with only about 322 million people; there are no transport barriers in the EU, it's a single market. Even the Eurozone, with the Euro as the common currency has around 337 million people, and is larger than the USA...

Unfortunately the fact is that the European transportation market is highly regulated and for example the restrictions on cabotage is why almost every second cross-border truck transport you see on the road is empty(!). Anyone sending a package from one EU country to another will know its not like dropping by the UPS store in the US. Fact is the cost i multiple times the comparable cost in the US. In the US you need 1 language brochure. You have to make a special xx language brochure for the EU "single" market. The currencies are several - even if the euro has removed some of the extra costs from this its certainly far from a zero cost. I could go on. No need for that. The single market is a project in development. Its made great advances. But its not a reality that can be compared to the US.

Apart from that its a bad joke for US consumers, that they are not told what the real price is when they buy their stuff in shops or look at shopping windows. But that's another matter.

 

[scyrene]

The high 5D4 Euro price would be okay if Canon would implement many of the nice features the Sony A7R2 for example has since 1.5 years for less money.

With the limited amount of features the price is 20-30% too high, especially as this model will last for another 4 years and will be outdated and outperformed by many other cheaper models from other brands during that time and even very soon.

Canon knows that this DSLR will be the last camera with mirror many DSLR-users will buy forever, so of course they milk every last cent out of customers until they present their own mirrorless large sensor product variations.

When prices are set to the maximum like in this case, Canon should be aware that users will show less and less brand loyalty in the future. In the longterm the price policies will not pay off.

Yawn.

 

[rrcphoto]

I forgot the first price of 5D mk 3 ( that i never bought), but what I see is:

-I bought my MK II from the 5D line right at it's launch : 2300 € taxes included !!!
-The "upgrade" MK III was around +1000€ so 3100 € ( with almost nothing really more than the MKII , a better AF ? electronic leveler, 100% viewfinder from 98%, and some other minor stuff I forget) which was an upDATE not an upGRADE. An upDATE doen't justify a drop price base.
- Came up the 5DS/DSR with actually is around 3790/3990€
- Now is coming MKIV at 3700 € ???????? what ?

To me the upGRADE with more things like touch screen+WIFI+GPS+VIDEOoptions etc ( which are cool ) is an real upGRADE that justify a drop price, but from the 5Dmk II not from the MKIII which never justify the previous and insane drop price which now is sadly a " price in mind reference" for 5D line whereas is should not !

All this because of the 6D ...
To me 3700€ for the 5D line with all those built-in upgrades should be a new line like a " 3DmkI"

Really hope the price will go down quickly !

the original MSRP of the 5D Mark III was announced as $3499 / €3299 / £2999.99.

why the price for Europe is higher now, is anyone's guess really. especially 400 euros.

 

[Maiaibing]

I'm going to let all the suckers preorder it and pay Canon retail. (...) Once these nuts are out of the way and real end users become the market, the price will decrease as real end users are not in any hurry because they know the 5D4 isn't some solution to a problem. It's merely an evolutionary step up. I don't think any genuine photographer is going to lose a single penny by not instantly upgrading to the 5D4. Youtuber's do lose money. First reviews, most watches, most clicks --

People have different needs and wants that may not align with your narrow world view.

I jumped the 5DIII and stuck with my 5DII's - now I'm getting a 5DIV early. Money wise that seems like a great thing to me. And its certainly far more than an evolutionary step up.

Yes, some people live for their internet followers and collect them like happy-coins. What's it to you if they are willing to invest 300$ early to get another 50.000 views or whatever? Some people spend 300$ on a special lunch at some fancy restaurant. I'm sure they could get a burger meal cheaper - but will it make them happier?

 

[scyrene]

This thread proves to me that people on the internet Dilbert will always find something everything Canon does to worth complaining about.

 

[scyrene]

There are some ways to pay less.

1st We wait a few months. This has the added advantage that it will may reveal any possible bugs.

Yes, there's some sense there. However, it doesn't take long before you reach the point where it might be better to wait for the next version. For the past two years, I've been on the verge of buying the Mark 3, but always knew I'd regret not waiting for the Mark 4, which was obviously 'just around the corner'. Turned out to be a bloody big corner, that one.

Well, the best general advice is, buy the product that best fits your budget and best suits your needs. Waiting for a possible new replacement that hasn't been announced is a mug's game.

3rd We buy grey

I bought grey when the 20D came out. I won't again. In the UK at least, you only save significant coin buying grey if you can avoid the VAT. If you declare it, and pay the VAT, you've not saved a significant amount, but you've got no dealer support and no warranty. If you don't declare it and Customs take an interest (they can tell the originating market from the serial number), they don't bill you for the unpaid VAT; they confiscate the goods. So while the probability of being caught is low, the exposure if you're caught is high. Each time you enter the country, you run the risk of being caught. But if you never take your camera abroad, the odds are excellent. Too risky for me, but suits many.

Personally, I've waited too long and can't wait any longer. The limited utility of my Mark 1 outside the studio (which I no longer have) is stopping me take pictures. I need to find my mojo again and, being someone who got into photography through a love of the technology, I think I'm all but there, this time.

I bought most of my Canon equipment from the grey market, and saved tonnes. There are retailers in the UK who sort all the paperwork for you - it's legal, I assume they buy the gear from Asia and make a profit by adding a small markup. I dunno what the warranty situation is, but probably that's one of the downsides.

Are you saying that when you take your camera on holiday, the airport staff check your serial numbers? Really??

 

[rrcphoto]

There are some ways to pay less.

1st We wait a few months. This has the added advantage that it will may reveal any possible bugs.

Yes, there's some sense there. However, it doesn't take long before you reach the point where it might be better to wait for the next version. For the past two years, I've been on the verge of buying the Mark 3, but always knew I'd regret not waiting for the Mark 4, which was obviously 'just around the corner'. Turned out to be a bloody big corner, that one.

Well, the best general advice is, buy the product that best fits your budget and best suits your needs. Waiting for a possible new replacement that hasn't been announced is a mug's game.

3rd We buy grey

I bought grey when the 20D came out. I won't again. In the UK at least, you only save significant coin buying grey if you can avoid the VAT. If you declare it, and pay the VAT, you've not saved a significant amount, but you've got no dealer support and no warranty. If you don't declare it and Customs take an interest (they can tell the originating market from the serial number), they don't bill you for the unpaid VAT; they confiscate the goods. So while the probability of being caught is low, the exposure if you're caught is high. Each time you enter the country, you run the risk of being caught. But if you never take your camera abroad, the odds are excellent. Too risky for me, but suits many.

Personally, I've waited too long and can't wait any longer. The limited utility of my Mark 1 outside the studio (which I no longer have) is stopping me take pictures. I need to find my mojo again and, being someone who got into photography through a love of the technology, I think I'm all but there, this time.

I bought most of my Canon equipment from the grey market, and saved tonnes. There are retailers in the UK who sort all the paperwork for you - it's legal, I assume they buy the gear from Asia and make a profit by adding a small markup. I dunno what the warranty situation is, but probably that's one of the downsides.

Are you saying that when you take your camera on holiday, the airport staff check your serial numbers? Really??

actually I know in canada, you are technically supposed to register any expensive stuff with customs before you leave the country, so when you come back into Canada. you have proof that you had it with you when you left.

otherwise, they could say.. you owe taxes, without any proof on you.

 

[GuyF]

Face facts, kids. If you've decided the mk4 is what you need/want and already have 3000 £/$/€ waiting, if it turns out to be 3299 you can probably stretch to that too.
Once you've justified it to yourself and can afford it, ignore those who want to rain on the parade. If you don't like capitalism, I'm sure there's a commune somewhere waiting for you to join in and weave placards out of muesli, demanding equal rights for all pixels.

Whilst some are waiting for the price to drop by 10%, you'll be taking shots with your lovely new camera. Points will be awarded for the first unboxing video.

(apologies to those who knit their own muesli, no offence.)

 

[nightscape123]

Meh, this seems to be canons new strategy. A stupidly absurd price for early adopters then dropping it quickly to the price they actually intend to sell it for. The 7D II and 5DSr both dropped significantly in price the first year. The 5Ds dropped even more. I would be surprised if you couldn't get the 5d4 for $2999 by Christmas.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

...
There are three entities trying to specifically make money off the sale, Canon JPN, the importers (which are often wholly owned by Canon JPN) and the retailer. That is not a lot of "middlemen".

Good to know that Canon double-dips.

How do you know that? Do you know if Canon India is owned by Canon JPN? Do you know how much profit Canon India makes either in general or on a 5D MkIV? No, you are just being silly.

If you read the Canon Global Home Page, it lists the Canon subsidies and affiliates. You can click on each to find out more. Subsidies are part of and owned by Canon. Its pretty simple to figure out.

http://global.canon/en/corporate/

For example, Canon India:

"Canon India Pvt. Ltd. is a 100% subsidiary of Canon Singapore Pte. Ltd. This world leader in imaging technologies was incorporated in India in the year 1997. Today Canon has offices spread across 14 cities in India and an employee strength of over a 1000 people. The company offers a comprehensive range of over 200 sophisticated and contemporary digital imaging products in the country, that includes digital cameras , digital SLR’s , lenses , accessories , digital copiers, multi-functional peripherals, fax-machines, inkjet and laser printers, projectors, scanners, All-in-ones, digital cameras, dye sub photo printers and semiconductors, card printers and cable ID printers."

 

[unfocused]

This thread proves to me that people on the internet Dilbert will always find something everything Canon does to worth complaining about.

Ah, if it were only just Dilbert. Unfortunately it's not.