5DIV price confirmed

[docsmith]

I'm at a crossroad here. I still have my old 7D and use it only for the extra reach. The 5D IV's 30 MP sensor should be a fair crop match- or close enough. My 5D MIII is great but not extreme cropping is out. I bought the 5DS and I'm very pleased with the quality and it goes without saying that you can crop the hell out of it.
FPS is fairly important for 50% of my work, so I was a bit disappointed that the 5D IV isn't a bit faster- 10 fps would have overjoyed me.

This is actually a very interesting question. In theory, the 5DIV will only give ~1.17 (6720/5760) more linear resolving power compared to the 5DIII. This is not much compared to the 1.6x crop factor. However, I have seen several people do actual side by side comparisons of their own or analyze online data and determine that the actual benefit of crop is much closer to 1.2x more true resolution.

Then, you have lensrentals evaluation comparing the 5DIII, 5Ds and 5DsR with different lenses. As I recall the average of the lens centers showed the 5DsR ~1.4 more resolving power than the 5DIII and the 5Ds was ~1.25 more resolving power (on average of the lenses). In theory, there should be 1.5x more resolving power.

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/06/canon-5ds-and-5ds-r-initial-resolution-tests/

So true resolving power is not always ideal. But the 5DIV might be resolving similar detail to some of the latest crop sensor cameras. I would be reasonably confident the 5DIV will provide better detail than the 7D, despite it having more "pixels on target."

 

[smorgo]

That's interesting. Six years is it?? I don't expect a laptop to last that long. Maybe I just have a more disposable attitude towards stuff...

The Sale of Goods Act is rather vague in this regard, 'up to' 6 years, which can work in your favour or not. It's the case that Apple's 'premium pricing' works in our favour, here. The wording in the act is that the goods should last for a 'reasonable length of time', taking into account the nature of the goods and their price. Apple's policy is to do the decent thing, without making a fuss. My local Apple service centre has had only one such claim rejected. Ever.

Not all vendors will be as supportive, but the point about the Act is that you can take your claim to court. Given the complaints about Canon's pricing, you could reasonably argue that it was a premium-priced product and also unreasonable for it to break down in a given period.

None of this is available to you if you buy from outside the EU, though.

Actually, in addition, did you know that under EU law, manufacturer warranties must now be two years, not one? Of course, us Brits are likely to lose that useful bit of protection before long...

So, just to be clear; the provision under the Sales of Goods Act is a right to claim for the cost of remedy (or a proportion). That's different to your warranty.

 

[LoneRider]

Calling people who buy something when it first comes out "stupid", well, it's stupid.

As far as the immediate price drop, well, according to camelcamelceml http://camelcamelcamel.com/Canon-Frame-Full-HD-Digital-Camera/product/B007FGYZFI?context=browse the 5Diii took close around 10 months before a big price drop in the US (more than $200).

And I believe there is A LOT of pentup demand for the 5Div, so unless Canon has significant production capability to overcome this demand, it is going to be a year before the price drops more than $200.

I still think these people are trying to sandbag us all not to pre-order so they can get theirs more quickly by getting us to wait

 

[Loswr]

That's interesting. Six years is it?? I don't expect a laptop to last that long.

Depends on the laptop. My 17" MacBook Pro is from 2011, so it's getting close...and performance is still more than good enough to meet my needs (with the switch from a 500 GB HDD to a 1 TB SSD). Actually, my previous 17" MacBook Pro is from 2006, and it still works just fine, and my kids use it when they need something bigger than an iPad (although in fairness, the 100 GB HDD did fail at one point...and now you know what happened to the 500 GB HDD that I pulled from the 2011 MBP ).

 

[athan]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

 

[Buck]

if you believe the numbers, a 100% mark up between the manufacturer and the final retailer is not out of line for a consumer product.
if you want to find out the real value of the product is wait until six months after the release and see if the price holds, look at what a six month old used camera is going for at Canon.com and on ebay.

 

[Dave Del Real]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

Wondering the same thing. It's the 25th in Japan...

 

[veryfelina]

You assume wrong. It already was bad enough to pay in euros the same amount as in USD but now this?! 3500 USD equals to 3100 euros and we'll have to pay 3700 euros?! I'm pissed as hell!

 

[rrcphoto]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

it's usualy 8-9am Amsterdam time.

 

[Loswr]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

Wondering the same thing. It's the 25th in Japan...

Yeah, 4 o'clock in the morning on the 25th in Japan...

I've typically seen Canon USA announcements and Canon UK/Europe announcements hit concurrently, just before the start of business in the EU so in the middle of the night on the East Coast.

 

[Dave Del Real]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

it's usualy 8-9am Amsterdam time.

Wow, that's still 11-12 hours away. Would be the 26th in Japan.

 

[rrcphoto]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

it's usualy 8-9am Amsterdam time.

Wow, that's still 11-12 hours away. Would be the 26th in Japan.

actually would be 2pm or so Japan time.

the time works for 2/3's of their market. next to impossible to get one time that works for everyone.

 

[Loswr]

actually would be 2pm or so Japan time.

the time works for 2/3's of their market. next to impossible to get one time that works for everyone.

Yeah...I once led a team with members in Seattle, Boston, Rome, and Tokyo. Made VCs a bit of a challenge... OTOH, you can look at it from the glass half full viewpoint – as Jimmy Buffett sang, it's 5 o'clock somewhere.

 

[rrcphoto]

actually would be 2pm or so Japan time.

the time works for 2/3's of their market. next to impossible to get one time that works for everyone.

Yeah...I once led a team with members in Seattle, Boston, Rome, and Tokyo. Made VCs a bit of a challenge...

ouch .. lol .. some did without sleep.

 

[Dave Del Real]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

it's usualy 8-9am Amsterdam time.

Wow, that's still 11-12 hours away. Would be the 26th in Japan.

actually would be 2pm or so Japan time.

the time works for 2/3's of their market. next to impossible to get one time that works for everyone.

My world clock says it's 9:18 am in Amsterdam and 4:18 am in Japan right now. So that would make it 4pm on the 26th in Japan according to your statement.

 

[Famateur]

Just saw the price confirmation update. Speaking only in terms of US dollars, it seems like a good price to me. Inflation adjusted, it's cheaper than the Mark III several years ago. Better camera, better price, Papa J---- I mean, uh, seems like a winner.

Of course, we'd all love to see a great price.

Business is business, though, and considering how well the Mark III sold, despite the moaning over the huge leap in price from the Mark II, I can't see much reason to complain about the Mark IV price (again, speaking in terms of US dollars).

Still, it's out of my budget for a while. Now, if there was a Canon full-frame equivalent of the 80D for around $2,500...

 

[rrcphoto]

I may have missed this, but everywhere it says 25:th of August the announcement will come. However, have we got confirmation on time (and what time zone)?

it's usualy 8-9am Amsterdam time.

Wow, that's still 11-12 hours away. Would be the 26th in Japan.

actually would be 2pm or so Japan time.

the time works for 2/3's of their market. next to impossible to get one time that works for everyone.

My world clock says it's 9:18 am in Amsterdam and 4:18 am in Japan right now. So that would make it 4pm on the 26th in Japan according to your statement.

i was off an hour..

8:00 AM Wednesday, in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 3:00 PM Wednesday, in Tokyo, Japan

Good lord.. it still isn't "Wow, that's still 11-12 hours away. Would be the 26th in Japan."

 

[Dave Del Real]

It would be 3pm Thursday (26th) in Japan and that seems late in the day for an announcement.

 

[sdsr]

Further, Even if it cost Canon $200 in parts and labor to build a single camera unit, why sell it for $600 if a huge market share is more than willing to happily pay $1500?

This has is separate from your basic point, and you probably don't mean to suggest that "parts and labor" of assembly represent full extent of the cost of making a camera, but some complaints about the price of cameras around here (and elsewhere) remind me of complaints people often used to make about CDs: "Why do I have to pay $15 for a CD when the cost of manufacturing a CD is 30c?" The cost of hiring (say) the Berlin Philharmonic, conductor, soloists, recording venue, recording engineers and editors, etc., never seemed to be considered.

 

[Loswr]

My world clock says it's 9:18 am in Amsterdam and 4:18 am in Japan right now. So that would make it 4pm on the 26th in Japan according to your statement.

Then you have a broken world clock, or a correctly functioning world clock that you don't know how to read. Because at 12:18p PDT or 3:18p EDT (which was the time stamp on your post), it was 9:18 PM in Amsterdam.