5ds/r not for me after reading this.

[benperrin]

Arabian Oryx (Oryx leucoryx) by Kris Bell, on Flickr

Arabian Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes arabica) by Kris Bell, on Flickr

Great shots Krisbell. Loved your flickr page as well. Well done!

 

[Lyle Krannichfeld]

Seems everyone is being cautious. Here's an email I got from BH this AM (pre-ordered first day):

Dear B&H Customer:

Thank you for your pre-order of the following item:
Canon EOS 5DS R DSLR Camera (Body Only)
(B&H # CAE5DSR)

You are receiving this message so we may address a concern of ours. Some customers might be unclear about the differences between the Canon EOS 5DS, and the Canon EOS 5DS R, and which camera is the best choice for them.

With Canon’s introduction of the high-resolution, full-frame 50.6MP CMOS sensor in the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R DSLRs, many photographers are wondering which model is best for them. Luckily, there is only one major difference between the cameras, and that is the implementation of a low-pass filter (LPF) cancellation effect in the 5DS R.

Most DSLRs, including the 5DS, use a low-pass filter to eliminate false colors and moiré that can be created when shooting finely detailed repeating effects or patterns, by splitting the light points before they reach the sensor. The use of this filter makes the EOS 5DS DSLR a good fit for most users, as it is suited to use in a wide range of applications. The 5DS R uses a separate filter to cancel this effect, to the capture the maximum resolution and sharpness possible, though at a greater risk of aliasing and moiré. This makes the 5DS R useful for photographers who have complete control over their scene, require the highest resolution possible, and/or have time to spend working on images during post processing.


If you would like to change your Pre-Order from the Canon EOS 5DS R to the Canon EOS 5DS, please email [email protected] with your request. If you do not wish to make any change to your order, you DO NOT need to reply to this message.

Thank you,
B&H Customer Service

 

[benperrin]

Seems everyone is being cautious. Here's an email I got from BH this AM (pre-ordered first day):

I'm still a little worried about the R version. I've seen some test shoots with visible moire and I'm starting to lean more towards the 5ds at this stage. I'm also interested to see the Sony a7r ii and what it can bring to the table but at this stage the 5ds is the frontrunner. I wonder if your housing will still work with the 5dsr? The body is meant to be almost identical to the 5d3 so I bet it will.

 

[sanj]

I upgraded my laptop with Retina screen. I find the higher resolution screen much better. I can now see details in my photos not visible earlier. I wonder if that will be the case with double resolution 5ds/r cameras.
Exciting times must say. But if the new cameras prohibit me from shooting quick/grab shots kind of photography then I will have to think hard.

 

[Marsu42]

I'm still a little worried about the R version. I've seen some test shoots with visible moire and I'm starting to lean more towards the 5ds at this stage.

Really, I take it Sonikon had not many complaints with the filter removal (d800 vs d800e) so they decided to remove it away for good on the d810, but personally I'd rather have a moiré-safe camera and lose a liiiiiitle bit of 100% crop sharpness (that can usually be restored in postprocessing as the software knows that the "issue" is). And the 5ds is even cheaper than the "pirate" R version...

 

[benperrin]

I'm still a little worried about the R version. I've seen some test shoots with visible moire and I'm starting to lean more towards the 5ds at this stage.

Really, I take it Sonikon had not many complaints with the filter removal (d800 vs d800e) so they decided to remove it away for good on the d810, but personally I'd rather have a moiré-safe camera and lose a liiiiiitle bit of 100% crop sharpness (that can usually be restored in postprocessing as the software knows that the "issue" is). And the 5ds is even cheaper than the "pirate" R version...

In the real world there are probably few scenarios where one of these cameras would show moire so I wouldn't expect many complaints from the d810/d800e. It's just that little voice in my head that wonders if it'll show up when it matters. I know that there's photoshop techniques for dealing with it that shouldn't take too much time.

That's another good point that the 5ds is cheaper and there are some amazing sharpening tools out there like the ones in the nik collection. Also moire is bad enough when it comes to video so I'd be surprised if it wasn't worse on the R version (not that I expect to be doing too much video). Food for thought.

 

[Marsu42]

I know that there's photoshop techniques for dealing with it that shouldn't take too much time.

There are? Everything I read says moiré is a b*tch to remove. And try that ps technique on a whole series of shots...

Food for thought.

Imho the most food for though is how to properly handle a 50mp camera at all so that the slight difference between 5ds and 5dsr might matter at all...

 

[benperrin]

I know that there's photoshop techniques for dealing with it that shouldn't take too much time.

There are? Everything I read says moiré is a b*tch to remove. And try that ps technique on a whole series of shots...

Imho the most food for though is how to properly handle a 50mp camera at all so that the slight difference between 5ds and 5dsr might matter at all...

Well the techniques I saw involved using a colour blend mode layer and another layer that I can't remember what it is. Didn't fully fix the problem though but it was a heck of a lot better than the original.

Is it weird to state that I think operating a 50mp camera will not be a problem. Most of it comes down to technique and understanding where problems may come in. I almost always use mirror lock-up mode on a very sturdy tripod with a remote so I think I'll be mostly fine (when shooting landscapes). Diffraction limits might take a bit of getting used to. I'll find out soon enough.

 

[ykn123]

related to the Moire effect and how to remove it in images, i once tried the adjustment brush in Lightroom (pre-defined effect: Moire) where you can paint in the "Moire removal" like any other change you can paint in with the brush - it worked surprisingly well.

 

[bdunbar79]

"Is it weird to state that I think operating a 50mp camera will not be a problem"

No. I don't think it is any more difficult than operating a 7D Mark II, as far as pixel density is concerned.

I don't think diffraction is a problem either. Even though you may be able to resolve diffraction at a wider aperture, there's still always something to gain.

 

[CaptureWhatYouSee]

I'm still a little worried about the R version. I've seen some test shoots with visible moire and I'm starting to lean more towards the 5ds at this stage.

Really, I take it Sonikon had not many complaints with the filter removal (d800 vs d800e) so they decided to remove it away for good on the d810, but personally I'd rather have a moiré-safe camera and lose a liiiiiitle bit of 100% crop sharpness (that can usually be restored in postprocessing as the software knows that the "issue" is). And the 5ds is even cheaper than the "pirate" R version...

In the real world there are probably few scenarios where one of these cameras would show moire so I wouldn't expect many complaints from the d810/d800e. It's just that little voice in my head that wonders if it'll show up when it matters. I know that there's photoshop techniques for dealing with it that shouldn't take too much time.

That's another good point that the 5ds is cheaper and there are some amazing sharpening tools out there like the ones in the nik collection. Also moire is bad enough when it comes to video so I'd be surprised if it wasn't worse on the R version (not that I expect to be doing too much video). Food for thought.

DPP's DLO is supposed to 'reverse' the low pass filter:

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/dpp_3_11_software_explained.do

 

[sanj]

I will wait for Ken Rockwell's review to decide.

 

[meywd]

I will wait for Ken Rockwell's review to decide.

lol

 

[zlatko]

Anytime you gain megapixels you also magnify poor technique! same with extenders .

You only magnify poor technique if you make the image bigger. If the image is the same size, then you don't magnify anything. Annie Leibovitz, the late Herb Ritts, and many other photographers often shot their medium format cameras handheld. It didn't stop them from making beautiful images.

 

[Halfrack]

Anytime you gain megapixels you also magnify poor technique! same with extenders .

You only magnify poor technique if you make the image bigger. If the image is the same size, then you don't magnify anything. Annie Leibovits, the late Herb Ritts, and many other photographers often shot their medium format cameras handheld. It didn't stop them from making beautiful images.

I shoot medium format hand held all the time, and your technique will tattle on you even faster with the higher megapixel cameras, even maintaining image size. Remember when Nikon shooters were returning their D800's due to soft images, when the issue was their technique and lens weren't doing them justice.

 

[gary samples]

Anytime you gain megapixels you also magnify poor technique! same with extenders .

You only magnify poor technique if you make the image bigger. If the image is the same size, then you don't magnify anything. Annie Leibovits, the late Herb Ritts, and many other photographers often shot their medium format cameras handheld. It didn't stop them from making beautiful images.

I shoot medium format hand held all the time, and your technique will tattle on you even faster with the higher megapixel cameras, even maintaining image size. Remember when Nikon shooters were returning their D800's due to soft images, when the issue was their technique and lens weren't doing them justice.

+1

 

[tron]

I will wait for Ken Rockwell's review to decide.

Only if you help him support his growing family ;D

 

[AcutancePhotography]

I will wait for Ken Rockwell's review to decide.

Don't we all?