Until recently, I have been able to use the HDR feature and take RAW shots. Now it is unavailable; in the menu, it is shaded and I must select JPEG only. Is this the result of a software update? Can it be reversed?
6D HDR problem
- Thread starter chrysoberyl
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Check the following dpreview thread:
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http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51111796
It does not clarify though what was happening in earlier firmware versions. By the way what firmware do you use?
Also, you cannot have the intermediate photos saved in 6D. In addition, the result is always a JPG (Even in 5D3) so there is no big deal except from the fact that you have to switch from raw to jpg and back every time you need to take an on camera hdr picture.
EDIT:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51111796
It does not clarify though what was happening in earlier firmware versions. By the way what firmware do you use?
Also, you cannot have the intermediate photos saved in 6D. In addition, the result is always a JPG (Even in 5D3) so there is no big deal except from the fact that you have to switch from raw to jpg and back every time you need to take an on camera hdr picture.
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gregorywood
Always in learning mode
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I was curious about this, also so I went to look The link throws a 404 error. Can you check the link and repost?
Thanks!
Greg
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Ooops sorry! I must have missed something in copy paste. I will search again and report back.gregorywood said:
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http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51111796
It's text follows:
My guess is that you have raw selected. Set it to jpg and it will not be grayed out.
More info follows:
IMPORTANT
If you shoot a moving subject, the subjects movement will leave afterimages.
The color gradation of the sky or white walls may not be reproduced correctly. Irregular colors or noise may appear.
HDR shooting under fluorescent or LED lighting may result in unnatural color reproduction of the illuminated areas.
REFERENCE
Only the merged HDR image will be saved. The three images used to produce the merged HDR image will not be saved.
You cannot select RAW and RAW+JPEG. The HDR mode cannot be set if RAW or RAW+JPEG is set.
If you set AEB, white balance bracketing, Multi Shot Noise Reduction, multiple shot exposures or if you shoot bulb exposures or a movie, HDR mode cannot be set.
Flash will not fire during HDR shooting.
HDR shooting is not possible with ISO expansion. (HDR shooting is possible within the range of ISO 100 - 25600.)
Since HDR shooting merges the images, it will take a longer time to record the HDR image to the card than with normal shooting. During the processing of the images, "buSY" will be displayed in the viewfinder and on the LCD panel and you cannot take another picture until the processing is completed.
In HDR mode, the options grayed out in the camera menu cannot be set. Note that when you set HDR mode, the Auto Lighting Optimizer, highlight tone priority, and exposure simulation will be set to [Disable] before shooting.
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Page 155 in the 6D instruction manual, page 74 in the 6D basic instruction manual. Both manuals list the cautions and restrictions shooting HDR. I don't believe RAW was ever available, it records in JPG even if RAW is your default mode.
Just checked it out on my 6D with the new 1.1.6 firmware. HDR automatically switches to JPG even though it was RAW in other SCN modes. The LCD screen shows JPG as well. As you noticed you cannot change it back to RAW via the first MENU screen while in HDR mode; you can only change the JPG level.
Just checked it out on my 6D with the new 1.1.6 firmware. HDR automatically switches to JPG even though it was RAW in other SCN modes. The LCD screen shows JPG as well. As you noticed you cannot change it back to RAW via the first MENU screen while in HDR mode; you can only change the JPG level.
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Exactly! And it is the same for the result with 5D3. The main difference with 5D3 is you get to keep the intermediate raw files to process later.dcm said:
So the best HDR is to ignore this mode completely, bracket say 5 shots and process them later.
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Thanks all, for your input. However, I have hundreds of HDR RAW shots, shot with my 6D. It was quite convenient and I post-processed in DPP. So clearly firmware is the problem. I am emailing with Canon on this but so far they are denying that it happened.
Can anyone advise how I can revert to the earlier firmware?
BTW, I purchased my 6D 2/28/2013.
Thanks,
John
Can anyone advise how I can revert to the earlier firmware?
BTW, I purchased my 6D 2/28/2013.
Thanks,
John
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I have the 6D as well. I was a bit disappointed when I read the manual and discovered that the 6D would only save in camera HDR images as JPG's. Instead, I just bracket the RAW images and post process them later at home. Works out better in the long run anyway.
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chrysoberyl said:
I'd like to know how you've got raw hdr from the 6d in the first place
... Canon crippled the fw so "no can do" raw, and worse: you cannot save the (jpeg) *source* files along the assembled shot for alternative post-processing, the camera insists on deleting them!This makes the in-camera hdr function essentially broken on the 6d, because the only advantage on the 5d3 is that you get a resulting raw shot. But rejoice: You'll get much better results with proper bracketing (hint: automatic with Magic Lantern) and a good hdr software on the pc.
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Marsu42: I would love to know how I captured all those RAW shots, too!
Here is the latest from Canon:
From: Robinson, John
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 7:52 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: Response from Canon - EOS Digital Cameras > EOS 6D [#1871552]
Nick,
I have hundreds of RAW shots, taken too closely together for any manual changing of the shutter speed to have taken place, as the metadata clearly shows. Would you like me to send you a selection?
Yes, my 6D did have this ability.
It is time to bump this up a level; please do so.
Thank you,
John Robinson
From: Canon Support - EOS Digital [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 7:56 AM
To: Robinson, John
Subject: RE: Response from Canon - EOS Digital Cameras > EOS 6D [#1871552]
Dear John Robinson:
Thanks for following up with us.
You cannot revert the firmware to an older version, but in any case, the camera never had this ability. You can see as much by referencing page 155 in your manual.
Let us know if you have any other questions, and thanks again for choosing Canon.
Sincerely,
Nick
Technical Support Representative
Sigh...they are still in denial.
John
Here is the latest from Canon:
From: Robinson, John
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 7:52 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: Response from Canon - EOS Digital Cameras > EOS 6D [#1871552]
Nick,
I have hundreds of RAW shots, taken too closely together for any manual changing of the shutter speed to have taken place, as the metadata clearly shows. Would you like me to send you a selection?
Yes, my 6D did have this ability.
It is time to bump this up a level; please do so.
Thank you,
John Robinson
From: Canon Support - EOS Digital [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 7:56 AM
To: Robinson, John
Subject: RE: Response from Canon - EOS Digital Cameras > EOS 6D [#1871552]
Dear John Robinson:
Thanks for following up with us.
You cannot revert the firmware to an older version, but in any case, the camera never had this ability. You can see as much by referencing page 155 in your manual.
Let us know if you have any other questions, and thanks again for choosing Canon.
Sincerely,
Nick
Technical Support Representative
Sigh...they are still in denial.
John
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John,
I think there's some confusion here with the modes. HDR requires two things:
- Stage A: get multiple images with different exposures
- Stage B: post-processing to create the HDR image
The 6D will do stage A in RAW no problem - it's called Automatic Exposure Bracketing. You can get the camera to take up to 7 images one after the other. What I believe the camera will only do in JPG is Stage B, that's what the 6D HDR mode is for.
On that basis is it possible that your collection of RAW images are the result of lots of AEB and you have been doing the post-processing elsewhere as implied in an earlier post in this thread? This would never have required the HDR mode of the camera AFAIK.
I think there's some confusion here with the modes. HDR requires two things:
- Stage A: get multiple images with different exposures
- Stage B: post-processing to create the HDR image
The 6D will do stage A in RAW no problem - it's called Automatic Exposure Bracketing. You can get the camera to take up to 7 images one after the other. What I believe the camera will only do in JPG is Stage B, that's what the 6D HDR mode is for.
On that basis is it possible that your collection of RAW images are the result of lots of AEB and you have been doing the post-processing elsewhere as implied in an earlier post in this thread? This would never have required the HDR mode of the camera AFAIK.
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AdjustedInCamera: No, AEB is not it. Am I the only one to experience this? I am glad I never deleted the RAW files shot in the HDR mode.
Marsu42: Thanks for the humor in this and other posts! Regarding Magic Lantern - really - you can set the bracketing and it will take the three consecutive shots with one shutter release? That would be what I had before...
John
Marsu42: Thanks for the humor in this and other posts! Regarding Magic Lantern - really - you can set the bracketing and it will take the three consecutive shots with one shutter release? That would be what I had before...
John
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chrysoberyl said:
If you want Magic Lantern will even take any amount of shots *automatically* with one button press until it has covered the whole dynamic range - be it 2,3,7,10,whatever brackets. And yes, if you're not using ML you're missing out big.
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chrysoberyl said:
Just for completeness, the AEB on the 6d can take 2, 3, 5 or 7 shots at different exposures with one shutter release.
For one shutter release to take all the pictures you need to be in one of the supported drive modes: 2sec, 10sec, there may be others.
To avoid the mirror flapping up and down, I normally put the camera in live view first.
This will not however create an HDR image for you. It will just collect the multiple RAW images on the memory card for you to PP elsewhere into an HDR.
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AdjustedInCamera: Noted regarding AEB - I will investigate further. It sounds like this is what I want, since I was post-processing to HDR anyway. And for this kind of shot, I always use live view and mirror lock up.
I would try Magic Lantern, but after this experience, I distrust Canon customer service. I am concerned that if I sent my camera in for servicing, that they would detect the ML software and refuse to service it.
BTW, Canon customer service has gone mute on this problem. Why they didn't suggest AEB?
Once again I am impressed with the support provided by the forum. Thanks!
John
I would try Magic Lantern, but after this experience, I distrust Canon customer service. I am concerned that if I sent my camera in for servicing, that they would detect the ML software and refuse to service it.
BTW, Canon customer service has gone mute on this problem. Why they didn't suggest AEB?
Once again I am impressed with the support provided by the forum. Thanks!
John
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