6D Mark II
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Not for a while..... The 6D is still selling heaps..... Perhaps. New firmware could address a lot of issues, just like the one for the 7D did!!
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duydaniel said:
The 6d is designed to make money for Canon, not to inspire awe and excitement. As everything about the 6d is budget they will keep lowering the price until their break/even point is reached, and only then replace it, and only after the 5d4 is here.
Imho the 6d has 2-3 years of life in it, it was never meant to outgun the Nikon d600 but offer a budget ff for people who want to or have to stay with Canon.
Btw the Nikon d610 is only an embarrasing bugfix for the d600's sensor problems, so actually that's one brownie point for Canon who for the lack of enthusiasm updated the 5d2 into a mature 6d product.
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Marsu42 said:
I agree but lets not forget the slew of awards it has won in categories where the Nikon would have been considered!
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Janbo Makimbo said:
I Forgot to mention this: I don't expect any firmware feature updates for the 6d, actually I'd be surprised about any bugfixes at all since in the past they only graced their premium models (7d = premium crop, 5d2 = only ff then, 5d3 = premium ff now). People should not buy the 6d in the hope that something will be fixed, it is what it is.
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Lichtgestalt said:
This comes to mind (ask me again when my 6d arrives
)- Multipoint af servo not properly handing over focus from one point to the others, esp. not selecting the center point (CarlTN keeps mentioning this)
- Braindead crippling that hdr source files cannot be saved
- Crippled min. shutter in av (1/250s is the fastest? Canon, you gotta be joking! Hail to ML!)
- Crippled feature -> button allocation vs. 5d3
- GPS off on power down, auto-enable on power up
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Lichtgestalt said:
A few refinements to the novel features for a start:
1. GPS auto-off (duh)
2. Wifi settings (still too fiddly to pair it to a device)
I'd also like a little more control of auto-iso when in Manual mode to support exposure comp, and 5-shot AEB for some HDR applications.
Nothing earth-shattering. It's been a great little camera for me in a wide variety of settings so far, and no hiccups to report.
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Janbo Makimbo said:
I think this is uncalled for, if you don't mind me saying so...
Janbo Makimbo said:
Yes, but only because the af was practically broken on delivery - I was talking of feature upgrades to stable products or fixes of smaller issues
Janbo Makimbo said:
It is for most people, the 1d line is another league alltogether
Janbo Makimbo said:
Yeah, right, and pigs can fly :->
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I may be new around here but i know the 5d Mkiii is not Canon's premium FF!!! its for 1DX wannabees!!!
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neuroanatomist said:The PowerShot S100 got a firmware update to fix minor issues. Just sayin'...
Ok, I wouldn't know about that - so I'll modify my statement to only include feature upgrades or fixes that could be counted as feature upgrades (like other min. shutter speeds for the 6d) :-o
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Marsu42 said:Lichtgestalt said:
This comes to mind (ask me again when my 6d arrives
- Multipoint af servo not properly handing over focus from one point to the others, esp. not selecting the center point (CarlTN keeps mentioning this)
- Braindead crippling that hdr source files cannot be saved
- Crippled min. shutter in av (1/250s is the fastest? Canon, you gotta be joking! Hail to ML!)
- Crippled feature -> button allocation vs. 5d3
- GPS off on power down, auto-enable on power up
a lot of that are not fixes in my eyes.
you could complain about missing features all day but that´s not the same as errors that need to be "fixed".
how do you think canon can fix the button layout with firmware? lol
care to explain what you mean with that?
don´t say you believe, that when you shot in AV the 6D will not go to, lets say, 1/1000s if it needs to. then you believe a bad 1. april joke or some nikon troll.
but you are sure not that silly?!
anyway i really don´t understand what you mean with that and you may mean something entirely different?
but i can assure you the 6D shoots (like my 5D MK3) much faster and much slower then 1/250s in AV mode.
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neuroanatomist said:Marsu42 said:
The PowerShot S100 got a firmware update to fix minor issues. Just sayin'...
I dont think that was to fix focus like the 5d mkiii..... !!
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The D600 has come to have a bad reputation, and sales are reportedly very slow. When this happens, a manufacturer often releases a minor update, perhaps with fixes for the issues. Since the specifications are reportedly identical, it seems to be a cosmetic change, maybe even some internal redesign to make it cheaper to produce. Canon certainly does that on occasion.
The new model can thus accomplish several things.
1, Cheaper to build
2. It gets buyers that must have the latest model.
3. If the issues are fixed, it will have a good reputation.
4. It avoids having to issue a recall or service bulletin to fix the old model. (the official story is that the new one is improved rather than it fixes problems and is cheaper to build)
The new model can thus accomplish several things.
1, Cheaper to build
2. It gets buyers that must have the latest model.
3. If the issues are fixed, it will have a good reputation.
4. It avoids having to issue a recall or service bulletin to fix the old model. (the official story is that the new one is improved rather than it fixes problems and is cheaper to build)
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Lichtgestalt said:
1/1000 s would be a higher shutter speed than 1/250 s, which is the other direction from minimum.
The scenario is you're shooting action in Av mode (yes, I know, why would anyone do that, but don't ask, mmmmkay?), and you don't want the camera to drop below a certain shutter speed needed to freeze that action. The 'Min shutter speed in Av' is quite useful for shooting people - in Av mode with Auto ISO, the default behavior is to drop the shutter speed to 1/FL (1/1.6xFL on APS-C), then start raising the ISO. With a wide lens, that means you might get 1/25 s shutter speeds and even 'still' people showing motion blur.
But I think Canon's idea for the setting is shooting people (not action/sports), where 1/250 s is more than sufficient to freeze motion. Faster, you should be in Tv, or if you want to control DoF too, use M. Note that I'm saying that's Canon's idea, not mine. I do sometimes use the shutter speed restriction (different setting than min shutter in Av) on the 1D X to get a 1/500 s min shutter in Av mode. However, that's in a very specific scenario - shooting perched birds in dim light with the 600 II -/+ 1.4xIII, where I want the little bit lower ISO, and the IS means camera shake isn't an issue. But in general, I think 1/250 s is reasonable as a highest min shutter speed.
OTOH, I do think there's a problem with the feature, in that it's either-or. Say you set a min shutter of 1/60 s, which is often enough to freeze typical random motions of people. Great for your 24-70, no blurry people. But if you put on a 200mm lens, it'll still drop the shutter to 1/60 s, and if your lens doesn't have IS, you'll get blur from camera shake instead. I think an implementation where it uses the min shutter setting or 1/FL, whichever is faster, would be better.
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