6D Mark II
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Marsu42 said:
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Canon cannot update the 6D in a meaningful way without stepping on the 5DIII's toes.
So, next in line for an update is definitely the 5DIII.
The 5DIV might get announced as early as next year, IMO.
Possibly in September before the Photokina show (??).
After that, the 5DIII and 5DIV will sell side by side for a while.
And only after that the 6D will get updated.
In the summer of 2015 the earliest, IMO.
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duydaniel said:
umm.... did not know that 70d has dual sensors? it is kinda cheap with the current price if it does ;D just kidding, i think you are talking about dual pixel right? and i guess the answer is yes, canon will more likely put that new tech. into any dslr coming after 70d...
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Lichtgestalt said:
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... it's about *allocation* of functions to buttons like set or dof preview which leaves out some very obvious and potentially useful options for no apparent reason. As for *min* shutter speed please refer to neuro's explanation - yes, it might be designed for portraits and x-sync, but it further nails down the 6d as a non-action shooting camera because here you often need higher min (<- note this part
) speeds like 1/500 or 1/1000 ... I set these on my 60d with Magic Lantern.Last not least, the difference between "broken by design" that can be "fixed" and just a missing feature certainly is subjective, I consider the firmware/software issued I mentioned as at least changeable with no big work on Canon's part.
x-vision said:
... and then it might again start being hideously overpriced and you have to wait 3/4 of a year for a reasonable price just like the 6d now seems to have settled @1500€ with the 70 €1200€ ... so now is a good time to get a 6d, that's why I did it.
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This is my interpretation:
Since 6D is built close to 5Dm2 spec and 70D is built close to 7D spec except for a few minor differences, the 6Dmk2 would be built close to 5D3 while retaining its small size and multi-directional dial (whatever you call it). 5D4 would come first.
Since 6D is built close to 5Dm2 spec and 70D is built close to 7D spec except for a few minor differences, the 6Dmk2 would be built close to 5D3 while retaining its small size and multi-directional dial (whatever you call it). 5D4 would come first.
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learncanon said:
This sounds like Canon, and would make the 6d2 an excellent camera, just like the 70d (and unlike the 6d1...).
But this is another reason why the 6d2 will take some time to arrive - with a 5d3-type camera you can do just about everything, so either Canon has to cripple the 6d2 (like video with extra moire, 20mb/s sd-card write speed, 1/2000s shutter, 50k shutter cycles :->) or raise the price or less people will get interested in the 5d4.
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Marsu42 said:
Canon may hardly dare to raise the price of the 5DIV. I guess the raise in price of the 5D3 was due to what was to follow: the 6D. In case of my 5D3 I am really looking forward to the 5D4. I won't be in the game for a purchase, but I am eager to see what will happen with ISO 25k and beyond high ISO IQ. Maybe some incremental improvements like 1/2 stop but this might give me us an ISO 25kish ISO 51k on the 5D5 in RAW... 8)
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neuroanatomist said:
anyway, from his post i got the impression he means AV mode is per se not going faster then 1/250s.
my bad..
and i guess because i never used that option (what option is it?) i still don´t get it.
what do i have to do exacly to see this limitation?
i shoot all day in AV and my shutterspeeds usually go from 0.8 seconds to 1/4000s.
i tested Auto ISO (what i normally never use) but even with that my shutterspeds are going slower then 1/250.... 1/80s or 1/25s... and they are goings faster 1/2000s etc.
edit: ok forget it i found it.
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Lichtgestalt said:neuroanatomist said:
in case you did not notice he wrote also "is the FASTEST?".
well 1/1000s is faster...
anyway, from his post i got the imporession he means AV mode is pers se not going faster then 1/250s.
Yes, 1/250 s is the fastest setting available for the Min shutter spd setting, which ranges from 1 s up to 1/250 s in full-stop increments. Regardless, it seems you now know he was referring to the 'Minimum shutter speed for Auto ISO' setting.
On 1-series bodies, you can actually restrict the shutter speed to not go faster than 1/250 s, or any other speed up to 1/4000 s, if you choose; you can restrict aperture in the same way (useful to maintain a minimum DoF in Tv mode).
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neuroanatomist said:Lichtgestalt said:neuroanatomist said:
in case you did not notice he wrote also "is the FASTEST?".
well 1/1000s is faster...
anyway, from his post i got the imporession he means AV mode is pers se not going faster then 1/250s.
Yes, 1/250 s is the fastest setting available for the Min shutter spd setting, which ranges from 1 s up to 1/250 s in full-stop increments. Regardless, it seems you now know he was referring to the 'Minimum shutter speed for Auto ISO' setting.
On 1-series bodies, you can actually restrict the shutter speed to not go faster than 1/250 s, or any other speed up to 1/4000 s, if you choose; you can restrict aperture in the same way (useful to maintain a minimum DoF in Tv mode).
i found that option and now it makes sense, seeing it in action.
never used it before.
as i already guessed he meant something entirely different then i thought.
normaly i have to fight the other direction.
that my shutterspeed goes not faster then the x-sync.
i can honestly say i never used Auto ISO since i have gone digital.
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Lichtgestalt said:
Opinions are divided on this, but imho auto iso is one of the primary advancements of the digital age, with today's cameras a couple of stops don't show (much) and you can either use m (though Canon lacks ec on m) or Av for changing lighting conditions - but for the latter you either need a 5d3/6d/1dx or Magic Lantern to set the min. shutter speed, or the Canon algorithm will go to low to shoot anything moving.
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Marsu42 said:
i do see the usefullness for some.
it´s just that i don´t need it.
in the studio i have plenty of light and i may be oldschool but i always try to take as much control as possible.
i shoot mostly M in the studio but AV is nice too.
will give it a try for casual/snapshots.
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learncanon said:
The problem with the 6D is that it was apparently conceived when the 5DIII specs were frozen.
So, not much breathing room for Canon to give it proper specs.
Going forward, I'm not sure that the 6DII will be build close to the 5DIII.
I do expect, though, that the 6DII will be properly differentiated from the 5DIV - without having to be crippled.
We'll see what happens.
Body size (form factor in general) will surely remain a key differentiator between the two.
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For those of us who waited, and waited, and waited, (and mostly gave up waiting and bought a 5DII), on the 5DIII, I think you're in for a very long wait on the 6DII. FFs don't evolve as quickly and with the economic climate, a firmware update (like the 7D) is more likely in the next 2-3 years before you see a 6DII.
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