70-300L anyone?

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unfocused said:
I vote for the Sandy Hook one. Very nice look to it. Excellent separation between the two rows of buildings. Any significant post-processing?

Postprocessing was upped clarity a chunk to get some contrast to bring the building to show through the haze a little, upped saturation a little, wb set to daylight because the auto wb had made the buildings in the fore and the water look yellow and then alot of a spot removal to remove the flies spotted all over the shot. The haze comes from the sheer distance... the Empire state building is 20 miles from where I stood Brooklyn in between about 8 miles away.

I was up on a wooden tower up a sandy trail from the car park where the wife and kids chose to wait. I only managed to stay up on the watchout for about a minute, it was 100f and the flies were swarming and chewing the hell out of me... by the time I got halfway back to the car I was actually running to try and stop the damned things biting me!
 
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birdman said:
This lens intrigues me. I don't know why, but it does. I have the 70-300 IS (non-L obviously) and it is a great lens for the price.

The 70-200/4.0 IS has always been one that I wanted, but with the 70-300L my opinion has since changed. Of course, I have never shot with it, but all the reviews are very positive. My question is, how does the IQ compare to all of the 70-200's? Is the price worth the upgrade vs. 70-300 IS? How does it feel and balance in hand? Thanks

It has better image quality than the 70-200 f/4, 70-200 2.8 non-IS, and 70-200 2.8 IS.
It seems to be better at 70 and 200mm than the 70-200 f/4 IS but not as good in the middle (and much better than the 70-200 f/4 IS with a TC).
Not quite sure how it fairs against the 70-200 2.8 IS II, perhaps that one beats it across the board.

It has faster and much more accurate AF than the 70-300IS non-L, non-rotating front element, the AF is in the back and since giant elements don't move to focus it doesn't shake around when in AI Servo mode as the 70-300 IS does. It has vastly better build quality. It's larger and heavier though. Image quality is better.
 
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SomeGuyInNewJersey said:
Actually, a quick question of my own for others with this lens... Has anybody found a cheap good quality tripod ring for this lens? I havent looked recently but last I looked on ebay I couldnt find anything that looked good enough quality to function without looking like theyd scratch the lens body.

I'll second that; I would really like to know what the best third party tripod ring is for the 70-300mm L IS - canon just have ridiculous pricing!
 
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briansquibb said:
Mine came from HK at a silly low price
Um, mine what? Lens or ring (Canon or 3rd party)? And what was this silly low price, other people might want to take that offer, too.

Btw: What 3rd party tripod collar do fit on the 70-300L? I am only reading about the ones that do not...

LetTheRightLensIn said:
birdman said:
This lens intrigues me. I don't know why, but it does. I have the 70-300 IS (non-L obviously) and it is a great lens for the price.
It has better image quality than the 70-200 f/4, 70-200 2.8 non-IS, and 70-200 2.8 IS.
It seems to be better at 70 and 200mm than the 70-200 f/4 IS but not as good in the middle (and much better than the 70-200 f/4 IS with a TC).

It really would be helpful if people were citing their sources, because after all I read (see link below) and the replies I got from asking around I think this statment is simply not correct - actually, to me it seems to be exactly the other way around. See for yourself:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=404&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=738&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=1&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
 
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Marsu42 said:
briansquibb said:
Mine came from HK at a silly low price
Um, mine what? Lens or ring (Canon or 3rd party)? And what was this silly low price, other people might want to take that offer, too.

Btw: What 3rd party tripod collar do fit on the 70-300L? I am only reading about the ones that do not...

Sorry - the ring - cant remember exact details but was under 20 UK pounds through eBay - I bought it in June 2011. As you can see it is not a perfect colour match - but it is functional

Brian
 

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FWIW: I have hunted for years for the perfect zoom lens in this range. I purchased this lens after reading the review on Dan Carr's website ( http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2010/11/17/canon-70-300-f4-5-6-l-is-review-vs-70-200-f4-l-is/ ).

The day my lens arrived I set up a test involving all 5 zooms (EF 70-200mm f/4 IS; EF 100-300mm f/5.6 L; EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6; Zeiss C/Y 35-70mm (the sharpest lens I have ever used) and one prime, EF 300mm f/4 IS.

My tests were on 5DII body, tripod-based, MLU engaged and manually focused at 70mm, 135mm, 200mm and 300mm. Happily, in all instances, my results coincided with Dan Carr's. The 70-300 L bested every lens at 70mm, 200mm and 300mm except for the prime in overall sharpness, contrast and clarity. At the middle range (135mm-200mm) the 70-200mm f/4 IS was possibly a bit sharper in the center, but virtually a dead heat. But here's the kicker: the 70-300 L blows away the 70-200 f/4 IS in the corners on full frame. I love my 70-200mm f/4 IS on my 5DII, but the edges have always been a little soft. The 70-300 L is sharp corner to corner. I can now (confidently) replace three lenses (and possibly the prime) with one. ;D
 
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briansquibb said:
Marsu42 said:
briansquibb said:
Mine came from HK at a silly low price
Um, mine what? Lens or ring (Canon or 3rd party)? And what was this silly low price, other people might want to take that offer, too.

Btw: What 3rd party tripod collar do fit on the 70-300L? I am only reading about the ones that do not...

Sorry - the ring - cant remember exact details but was under 20 UK pounds through eBay - I bought it in June 2011. As you can see it is not a perfect colour match - but it is functional

Brian


Brian,
Does it have a name?
It is on my list though the Canon original is currently around 159 euro so I like to look for a reliable alternative
 
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Marsu42 said:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
It has better image quality than the 70-200 f/4, 70-200 2.8 non-IS, and 70-200 2.8 IS.
It seems to be better at 70 and 200mm than the 70-200 f/4 IS but not as good in the middle (and much better than the 70-200 f/4 IS with a TC).

It really would be helpful if people were citing their sources, because after all I read (see link below) and the replies I got from asking around I think this statment is simply not correct - actually, to me it seems to be exactly the other way around. See for yourself:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=404&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=738&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=1&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

From a test that was very carefully carried out (for 70-300 L vs Tamron 70-300 VC vs Canon 70-200 f/4 IS).

Indoors, constant lighting, 25' distance to target (so no near MFD garbage messing the test up for normal usage), best of 6-12 manual focusing attempts using 10x zoom liveview for each aperture tested at each focal length tested, edge and mid-frame tests re-focused (doesn't reveal field curvature but on the other hand you don't get weird results because the setup was not parallel to the 0.001cm).

I doubt TDP used so many focusing trials, I don't believe they refocus away from the center so the mid and edge performance they test is a mixture of lens ability, field curvature and how off they were from parallel perfection (and it all it takes is a TINY tweak for results to be altered) and I believe they use a target much, much closer than 25' I think someone said they often use a target just 3-4' away for the lenses that can focus that close (not sure though). I haven't found a single other site that agreed with their claim that it has much worse CA at 300mm than at 70mm. For whatever reason I've found TDP results to not match what I see as often as not, although their newer tests match a bit more often (I believe they use to use AF and best of only 3 tries or something early on). And look at their Tamron 70-300 VC results where the 70-200 f/4 IS + TC blow that away at 300mm to a huge degree. That's not what to many others have seen.

The photozone.de results were much closer to what I saw between the 70-300L, 70-200 f/4 IS, tamron 70-300 VC, even if not exactly matching.

Of course some of it might be copy to copy variation in the lenses. It is possible that it may play a larger role than we think. Look at lensrentals who tested lots of 100 macro and 100L macros and they found the better 100 non-L outperformed the lesser 100L copies! Although the best 100L did better and, on avg, the 100L definitely did better.

It is probably best to use a wide array of sources what with testing and copy to copy variation.

Comparing the 70-300L to the 70-200 2.8 IS and non-IS were based upon how the 70-300L did against the f/4 IS and about how the f/4 IS did against the 2.8 non-IS in a past, and not as carefully carried out test, and how the 2.8 non-IS did compared to the 2.8 IS in yet another test, also not quite as painstakingly carried out as the recent test.

I see lots of reports and test agreeing with 2.8 non-IS doing better than the 2.8 IS and lots also saying that the f/4 IS does better than the 2.8 non-IS. There are also other tests including photozone.de and on some guy's blog, forget his name (EDIT: I see someone else posted the link, Dan Carr), where the 70-300L did better at 70mm than the f/4 IS. Even looking at Canon's simulated MTF charts you can see that this is predicted behavior.

But with copy to copy variation, who knows what your two copies would do for sure.
 
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wockawocka said:
If you're looking for a travel lens for landscapes then the 70-300L is brilliant.

But, I sold mine and got the 100-400L instead.

You can't put Canon extenders on the 70-300L but Kenko ones do.

It also works as a portrait lens on a ff - it is at f/4 at the lower end which is ideal for portraits (rather than studio images)
 
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I am OP. Thank you so much everyone. It looks like I will rent first, compare with my other lens that cover this FL, and probably buy.

I am amazed by the IQ on some of the shots posted here. It appears I have found a potential long-term solution.
 
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chaz1113 said:
FWIW: I have hunted for years for the perfect zoom lens in this range. I purchased this lens after reading the review on Dan Carr's website ( http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2010/11/17/canon-70-300-f4-5-6-l-is-review-vs-70-200-f4-l-is/ ).

The day my lens arrived I set up a test involving all 5 zooms (EF 70-200mm f/4 IS; EF 100-300mm f/5.6 L; EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6; Zeiss C/Y 35-70mm (the sharpest lens I have ever used) and one prime, EF 300mm f/4 IS.

My tests were on 5DII body, tripod-based, MLU engaged and manually focused at 70mm, 135mm, 200mm and 300mm. Happily, in all instances, my results coincided with Dan Carr's. The 70-300 L bested every lens at 70mm, 200mm and 300mm except for the prime in overall sharpness, contrast and clarity. At the middle range (135mm-200mm) the 70-200mm f/4 IS was possibly a bit sharper in the center, but virtually a dead heat. But here's the kicker: the 70-300 L blows away the 70-200 f/4 IS in the corners on full frame. I love my 70-200mm f/4 IS on my 5DII, but the edges have always been a little soft. The 70-300 L is sharp corner to corner. I can now (confidently) replace three lenses (and possibly the prime) with one. ;D

I own both. Infact I got the 70-200 mk.II after I used the 70-300L for a few months and tried 2 copies of the mk.ii one refurbed and one new.

I can categorically tell you the 70-300L was sharper at 100mm (I didnt do more tests... didnt have the patience). :)

Many owners of 70-200mk.II get a bit unhappy when I say this but, it's true, I have posted results of my tests, you might find areas wher ethe mk.II is better but for the price, the 70-300l is very very good!

Usually the people that don't recommend are the ones who have not used it and are passing judgement based on it's specs/ reviews, not personal useage.

Again I have both so I like them both... the mk.ii has a special quality in that for portriats, I can get nicer/ dreamier pics also for lower light applications it is better, but for everything else, I pick up the 70-300L. It is lighter, sharper and has great clarity.

Took this shot walking about a lake with my 5Dc, I was about 25 feet away from this guy, with the 70-300L handheld at 300mm. (cropped )
 

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birdman said:
I am OP. Thank you so much everyone. It looks like I will rent first, compare with my other lens that cover this FL, and probably buy.

I am amazed by the IQ on some of the shots posted here. It appears I have found a potential long-term solution.

here are some more samples around to have a look at:

100% crop, wide-open, near center frame, 300mm, 5D2:
(make sure to click this one to see 100% and scroll over to see the right part of the top image)
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200% (nearest neighbor) crops:
70-200 f/4 IS at 70mm, wide open f/4, center frame, 5D2, constant lighting:
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70-300L at 72mm (70-300L is wider at 70mm than the 70-200 f/4 IS so 72mm makes the dollar bill look the same size for direct comparison), wide open f/4, center frame, 5D2, constant lighting:
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The differences really jump out at you if you save the two images above and then flip back and forth in a viewer.

The 70-300l also wins that contest at 200mm, although by a smaller margin and it loses at 135mm by arguably an even larger margin and loses at 100mm and 165mm as well, although by a much, much smaller and smaller margins respectively. At 280mm it wins by an even larger margin.
 
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I think it depends on the aperture.
Is the 70-300L sharper than the 70-200L MkII 2.8?

Probably not at the same apertures as the mkII gets sharper when you stop it down. And I'm a pixel peeping mofo on a full frame body.

Sharper than the 70-200 F4? I can believe that as it's a much older lens.

Sharper than the 70-200L mkI yes indeed.

As for why does it annoy people when sharpness gets discussed, well it's because it's difficult to compare lenses with different max apertures and to be truly diligent on the research you'd need to have a much bigger sample than just one of each lens.
 
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100% crops on 5D2 (saving and flipping back and forth makes the difference even more noticeable), center frame, constant indoor lighting, best of half a dozen or more manual focusing 10x zoom liveview attemps for each, tripod, remote release, etc., 25' to target:


70-200 f/4 IS + 1.4x TC III:
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70-300L focal length set to match size of the bill above:
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JoeBoe19 said:
why don't people like it when you say you think the 70-300 is sharper than the 70-200?

I don't know... but I have usually gotten smited after bringing it up ;).

I suspect it's hard to come to terms that a $2500 is not sharper than a $1600 lens that they got. The Mk.II has gotten rave reviews and is considered very sharp (and it is). Myself I figured I'd sell my 70-300L after buying the 70-200 mk.ii, but have not been able to yet... lets see how long I can keep both.
 
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