7d mark II as reviewed by Artie Morris
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Keith_Reeder said:Quasimodo said:and to aquire his skills
The only thing that differentiates Art Morris from a million other photographers is opportunity - he has access (by his own admission) yo lots of tame birds, and the time to exploit them.
Have to agree with you Keith, and to counter a few other comments, I dont see why he wouldn't use a 600 with 2x TC on a crop to illustrate what his technique and equipment is capable of, particularly if the bird is semi-tame, and especially if he then links these items of equipment to affiliate sales sites.
I spent 1 day in Florida this year and got half a dozen keeper shots in that single day - birds are abundant and incredibly tame and it makes for extremely easy wildlife photography. I'm not saying Mr Morris is a poor photographer (far from it - he is very accomplished) but I certainly dont see anything special in his work, he is simply a competent photographer out there shooting with good equipment, in good locations, with numerous photographic subjects a hell of a lot.
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krisbell said:
Like real estate...location, location, location. On the Anhinga Trail in the Everglades, the birds for which it's named are now so habituated to humans they perch on the boardwalk railing...UWA bird photography.
Those of us who don't live in Florida or New Mexico, and have limited opportunities for travel, must work harder locally.
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re: nonsense spouted here from people who have never met Artie Morris, never taken a workshop from him and seen first hand how he works, don't follow his blog or exhaustive postings/comments on BirdPhotographers.net...
I think I'm glad I come here for rumor and not fact or I'd think some of these comments had basis in reality.
Clueless.
I think I'm glad I come here for rumor and not fact or I'd think some of these comments had basis in reality.
Clueless.
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wtlloyd said:
wtlloyd - I have no idea why having met the guy helps me judge his photography but for what its worth I do occasionally check out his blog - does this qualify me to pass judgement on his pictures!?
I feel I should explain that I for one was not having a go at his method or personality, purely his output and only then in the context of him being a perfectly competent shooter rather than a "great nature photographer" or "class act" or "Mr BIF...even Sir BIF". I also think the comments regarding his blog site being a little messy and loaded with sales links are fair...but I suppose I need to have gone out to dinner with him, and bought a few books and a bunch of 7DII raw files from him to go as far as pass judgement on his blog?
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krisbell said:
We all have opinions and a right to share them in a nice manner preferably.
I can not blame people for their comments on the commercial nature of his site. It needs to pay for itself and he needs to make a living.
I must admit at first I found his blog a bit difficult to follow but once you do you can become acclimated to his style.
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While I am certainly no expert on nature photography, nor in one of its many aspects, namely BIF, I have read books by people who excell in these areas, as for instance Ole Jørgen Liodden. Reading about how photographers like him plan photos, studying the animals patterns, seek out locations, wait for many days for the right shot to present itself, is far away from dilletant work.
However, the question as I see it is not whether Artie Morris is this or that, but whether he is in a position to give insights, and valuable comments on this specific topic, given his experience.
G.
However, the question as I see it is not whether Artie Morris is this or that, but whether he is in a position to give insights, and valuable comments on this specific topic, given his experience.
G.
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2n10 said:
2n10 you are quite right - it was simply my opinion and I apologise for not sharing it as nicely as I could have done. On re-reading my own post it does come across as overly aggressive when it really wasnt my intention, I was simply trying to add balance to what was in my mind a strange justification from another poster.
wtlloyd - thanks for sharing the link and a nice image of a condor in flight. I appreciate his humility but once again and in the nicest possible way, I was not passing judgement on the man himself (to which a workshop or meeting with him would most definitely help) but purely his output and this link provides nothing to dissuade me of my opinion. He came away with a perfectly decent shot of a relatively slow, extremely large bird after using superb, top of the line equipment and, in his own words, having "lots of great chances" at getting the shot.
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Extensively tested LR5(ACR 8) versus DPP 3.14.15.2 and LR5 easily out performed DPP. But than I don't sell books to photographers nor do I get compensated by Canon. The files I worked with were commercial interiors shot at ISO 100 up to ISO 3200. Once you figure out DPPs clunky interface, you can produce nice results but with limited tools. LR5 can convert the same files with more lower middle tone values than DPP and you get tools that allow much more precise control over the whole image.
As to the merits of Art Morris, like and old friend said many many years ago, you will make more money off of photographers than you will with photography... His is the latter.
As for the 7D Mark II, I too do not like what I have seen so far in terms of IQ. My first response is the "Kit" lens used by most reviewers is, well, not to good. I am hoping! When the first production models are tested by uncompensated professionals and their evaluation of the IQ is published. It will be decision time.
As to the merits of Art Morris, like and old friend said many many years ago, you will make more money off of photographers than you will with photography... His is the latter.
As for the 7D Mark II, I too do not like what I have seen so far in terms of IQ. My first response is the "Kit" lens used by most reviewers is, well, not to good. I am hoping! When the first production models are tested by uncompensated professionals and their evaluation of the IQ is published. It will be decision time.
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Quasimodo said:
Hi G, all said and done I think Artie Morris is in an excellent position to provide insights and valuable comments - but his position as a salesman of Canon products means we should treat what he says with some degree of caution.
My 2cents regarding the DPP question - I have used it a few times (largely in part due to what Artie Morris, amongst others, have written about it) but cannot find any advantage from an image-editing perspective of DPP over ACR (quite the opposite). The only advantage for my workflow that DPP has over ACR is that it shows you where the focus point on the camera was for each shot.
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Not raging here, but I need to point out that you missed the purpose of my google results link...that link opens to multiple instances where Artie has blogged that he is a poor at best BIF shooter - it's a notorious shortcoming of his that he praises others for unreservedly...yet you referred to him as "Mr BIF or even Sir BIF".
So you really know nothing.
It's easy to be an armchair critic. "Oh, if I were there and had all that great equipment, I could do it too".
I've been there, had great equipment, and it wasn't all that easy.
And you probably wouldn't like him if you met him, he's a classic Type A New Yorker. But he sure knows his stuff, and he is almost certainly the hardest working nature photographer in the business.
So you really know nothing.
It's easy to be an armchair critic. "Oh, if I were there and had all that great equipment, I could do it too".
I've been there, had great equipment, and it wasn't all that easy.
And you probably wouldn't like him if you met him, he's a classic Type A New Yorker. But he sure knows his stuff, and he is almost certainly the hardest working nature photographer in the business.
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wtlloyd said:
Hi wtlloyd - I think you missed my point, my references to "Mr BIF or even Sir BIF" were made by another poster and I was quoting them (hence the use of quotation marks). Furthermore, I acknowledged his humility regarding that particular skill.
Despite your rather ridiculous 'you cant comment because you havent purchased a workshop from him' type argument I have tried to be civil, but you on the other hand have called me "Clueless" and that I "really know nothing". Have you met me, or been on one of my workshops to make those judgements?
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jvhigbee said:
ad Hominem is what happens here far too often.
Sometimes it feels like we are only one post away from bringing in mothers in to the discussion. :-\
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Keith_Reeder said:Quasimodo said:and to aquire his skills
The only thing that differentiates Art Morris from a million other photographers is opportunity - he has access (by his own admission) yo lots of tame birds, and the time to exploit them.
I'm sorry, but it's more than simply opportunity. Art has decades of experience and insight that far fewer than "millions" of other photographers have. If you actually read his blog on a regular basis, and read his books, you realize the depth of his experience. If I had all of Arties opportunities, I'm certain I would get better photos...however getting excellent photos every single time is another story. There are subtleties within subtleties within subtleties about bird photography that you learn when Art starts critiquing your work (which is something I do, over on BPN.) You start learning how nuanced getting every single aspect of a bird photo, from lighting and composition down to head angle and eye pointing and everything else.
I'm a decent photographer, and one of those "millions" of other photographers out there who don't very often have the opportunities that Art has. I know for a fact, though that even if I had them, I'd be missing a LOT of the subtleties.
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AcutancePhotography said:
So true, but not just this forum. I see on other forums that I frequent and even on ones that I make a quick visit while doing research. The anonymity afforded by the internet has greatly eroded the civility that we would normally use if meeting face to face.
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jrista said:Keith_Reeder said:Quasimodo said:and to aquire his skills
The only thing that differentiates Art Morris from a million other photographers is opportunity - he has access (by his own admission) yo lots of tame birds, and the time to exploit them.
I'm sorry, but it's more than simply opportunity. Art has decades of experience and insight that far fewer than "millions" of other photographers have. If you actually read his blog on a regular basis, and read his books, you realize the depth of his experience. If I had all of Arties opportunities, I'm certain I would get better photos...however getting excellent photos every single time is another story. There are subtleties within subtleties within subtleties about bird photography that you learn when Art starts critiquing your work (which is something I do, over on BPN.) You start learning how nuanced getting every single aspect of a bird photo, from lighting and composition down to head angle and eye pointing and everything else.
I'm a decent photographer, and one of those "millions" of other photographers out there who don't very often have the opportunities that Art has. I know for a fact, though that even if I had them, I'd be missing a LOT of the subtleties.
+1, he has great compositions and looks to his shots even though many are a little on the high key side to my taste. Reading his comments just from the 7D2 posts on his crop and composition choices shows just how much he considers when taking photos.
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2n10 said:
I suspect that there are some posters on this forum that don't have a lot of experience with actual people.
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