7D Mark II on Cameraegg

[Cariboucoach]

I saw this on cameraegg this morning.

http://www.cameraegg.org/is-7d-mark-ii-finally-coming/
http://www.cameraegg.org/7d-mark-ii-price-around-2000-to-be-announced-first-half-of-2014/

This is a rumor forum after all.

 

[Don Haines]

I saw this on cameraegg this morning.

http://www.cameraegg.org/is-7d-mark-ii-finally-coming/
http://www.cameraegg.org/7d-mark-ii-price-around-2000-to-be-announced-first-half-of-2014/

This is a rumor forum after all.

I wonder if it will be ready for the Olympics....

 

[9VIII]

I really hope they kick it up to at least 24MP. Something like 28 would have me hollering and hooting.

I'm still halfway convinced I want a Nikon 1 series just because of the pixel density.

 

[IslanderMV]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

 

[Kiboko]

Bring it on!!!

 

[Marauder]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

 

[Click]

Finally, there is a glimmer of hope for the 7D II

 

[jrista]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

 

[mkabi]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

 

[East Wind Photography]

Bring it on!!!

I'm just waiting for the preorders to start. Whatever they do it will be better than the old 7D and worth an upgrade.

 

[Don Haines]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

realistically, the only real advantage of the 7D over the 60D were the auto-focus system and a faster burst rate. Only a small portion of the market wanted those features and understood their advantages, plus better sealing and joystick, but the 60D had the obvious advantage of price, and made it's mark as the top selling APS-C "enthusiast" camera. I'm sure that it outsold the 7D at least 10 to 1.... but that does not make it a better camera. The T3i is still the best selling Canon DSLR and that is because the camera can be bought with a lens for under $350.

All these cameras would "bite into the success" of the 7D to some degree, but not in any significant way. Those that realized that the 7D was what they wanted would buy the 7D, those that didn't would buy something else.

It will be the same with the 7D2. Most people will not buy it. A rebel, the 70D, the 6D, the SL1, or the EOS-M, will meet their needs at a lower price. Some will want what the 1DX or 5D3 have to offer. For the people who want a camera for what the 7D2 is designed for, it will be the right choice and that's where they will go.... and just like before we end up with:
7D2 - pro level
70D - enthusiast
Rebels, Sl1, Eos-M - mass market

 

[Marauder]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

Not at all. But the reason they didn't is because the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor, rather than inheriting it from a prior camera. Generally speaking, you want your flagship product (and the 7D II will be the flagship of the APS-C cameras) to introduce the new technology. Then you can 'trickle it down' to the lower, follow-on models. Given its price and flagship status, I think the 7D II will have a brand-new sensor, which might then begin to appear in the Rebel line in 2015.

 

[Marauder]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

realistically, the only real advantage of the 7D over the 60D were the auto-focus system and a faster burst rate. Only a small portion of the market wanted those features and understood their advantages, plus better sealing and joystick, but the 60D had the obvious advantage of price, and made it's mark as the top selling APS-C "enthusiast" camera. I'm sure that it outsold the 7D at least 10 to 1.... but that does not make it a better camera. The T3i is still the best selling Canon DSLR and that is because the camera can be bought with a lens for under $350.

All these cameras would "bite into the success" of the 7D to some degree, but not in any significant way. Those that realized that the 7D was what they wanted would buy the 7D, those that didn't would buy something else.

It will be the same with the 7D2. Most people will not buy it. A rebel, the 70D, the 6D, the SL1, or the EOS-M, will meet their needs at a lower price. Some will want what the 1DX or 5D3 have to offer. For the people who want a camera for what the 7D2 is designed for, it will be the right choice and that's where they will go.... and just like before we end up with:
7D2 - pro level
70D - enthusiast
Rebels, Sl1, Eos-M - mass market

Yes, exactly. The 7D II will be a wildlife and sports powerhouse, for those on a budget, who cannot afford a 1DX, as a backup to the 1DX and as a step up from the 70D for those who outgrow its potential.

 

[jrista]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

Where in the world did you get that? I never even implied such a thing...

They all FOLLOWED the 7D. The point was that the 7D introduced something new...something that did NOT reuse prior tech. I am saying that the 7D II should do the same...introduce something NEW! Something like, say, a NEW 24mp APS-C sensor maybe.

 

[mkabi]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

Where in the world did you get that? I never even implied such a thing...

They all FOLLOWED the 7D. The point was that the 7D introduced something new...something that did NOT reuse prior tech. I am saying that the 7D II should do the same...introduce something NEW! Something like, say, a NEW 24mp APS-C sensor maybe.

Mathematical induction - If A = B and B = C, then A = C.
Similarly, if A = B and B = C, then B = A and C = B.

You just said that if the same sensor of 70D was in 7D Mark 2 then it won't be as successful as 7D.
If you still don't get it, suppose A is 7D and B is 60D and C = t3i.
A = B - few features & B = C - few features.
Suppose also A2 is 7D Mark II and B2 is 70D.
If A ~ A2 & B ~ B2, then you can also make the assumption that you are saying that the t2i, 60D, t3i and so on is eating into the success of the 7D.

All I'm saying is that it will also be A2 = B2 - few features.
No matter what you think the timeline is... 70D coming before the 7D mark 2 or after... it shouldn't eat into its success, cause it didn't do that to the current 7D.

It was revolutionary because the 7D was the first of its kind, but now its not first of its kind... its the second of its kind.

 

[jrista]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

Where in the world did you get that? I never even implied such a thing...

They all FOLLOWED the 7D. The point was that the 7D introduced something new...something that did NOT reuse prior tech. I am saying that the 7D II should do the same...introduce something NEW! Something like, say, a NEW 24mp APS-C sensor maybe.

Mathematical induction - If A = B and B = C, then A = C.
Similarly, if A = B and B = C, then B = A and C = B.

You just said that if the same sensor of 70D was in 7D Mark 2 then it won't be as successful as 7D.
If you still don't get it, suppose A is 7D and B is 60D and C = t3i.
A = B - few features & B = C - few features.
Hence, my assumption that you are saying that the t2i, 60D, t3i and so on eating into the success of the 7D.

Suppose also A2 is 7D Mark II and B2 is 70D.
All I'm saying is that it will also be A2 = B2 - few features.
No matter what you think the timeline is... 70D coming before the 7D mark 2 or after... it shouldn't eat into its success, cause it didn't do that to the current 7D.

It was revolutionary because the 7D was the first of its kind, but now its not first of its kind... its the second of its kind.

Um...what? The 7D is still the first of it's kind. How in the world do you deduce that the 7D is now, magically, the "second" of it's kind? (Wouldn't the 70D be "second"...seeing as it came "after"?) And how did you relate any of the Txi's to anything I said? Anyway...let me clear up my analogy for you:

The 7D INTRODUCED something NEW. Actually, it introduced several things that were new. It introduced the 18mp APS-C sensor, it introduced the 19pt AF system, and it was the first 8fps APS-C DSLR. The NEW things that the 7D INTRODUCED were what made it a unique, very effective and highly successful camera. It was...in its time...more than just a simple evolution. It was something more radical, maybe not exactly revolutionary, but a hell of a lot more than simply evolutionary tm Canon.

Now, deriving from that...the 7D II should ALSO INTRODUCE something NEW. The 7D II should also be more than simply evolutionary...it should be something more radical. The 7D II should INTRODUCE something NEW. Preferably, it would up the ante on those same three things...24mp APS-C sensor, reticular AF system (41pt, 51pt, something), and 10fps. It would be the first APS-C camera to get such features in a single package. That would make it compelling. That would make it unique, and particularly effective at the market it's targeted at. That would set it apart from the 70D. That would give it the same kind of compelling featureset, yet nicely improved for the modern day, that the original 7D had.

I'm not sure where you got your ABCs...but technically speaking, the problem wasn't a mathematical one. ;P It was a simple extrapolation, and there was no relationship between A (the 7D) and your B or C in my prior post. There was "A" (the 7D) and "B" (the 7D II) and "C" (the 70D). "A" was disruptive. Therefor, "B" should be similarly disruptive, in order to carry on the title that "A" once did. If "A" simply inherited "C"s sensor...well, then it wouldn't really be disruptive, would it? It would merely be another lackluster evolution...a "me too" product that, once again, reused a pre-existing Canon sensor in a flagship product that should be something more. That's something Canon is famous for, and it is exceptionally boring...and something they should break away from (at least for professional-grade products in the xD line...I don't really think the Rebel line matters much, so as far as I am concerned, they can reuse parts to their hearts content in the Rebel and even xxD lines).

I think most everyone else got my intended meaning...so I was kind of surprised to see all the Txi's showing up in your post along with a complete inversion of what I was trying to say.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

My crystal ball says it will use the same sensor as the 70D.

The new 7Dm2 and 70D will probablly have the same relationship that the 60D does to the current 7D.

If I remember correctly, the original price of the 7D was about $1800. If the new price is about $2000 that seems like a reasonable increase.

I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!

Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.

So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?

Where in the world did you get that? I never even implied such a thing...

They all FOLLOWED the 7D. The point was that the 7D introduced something new...something that did NOT reuse prior tech. I am saying that the 7D II should do the same...introduce something NEW! Something like, say, a NEW 24mp APS-C sensor maybe.

Mathematical induction - If A = B and B = C, then A = C.
Similarly, if A = B and B = C, then B = A and C = B.

You just said that if the same sensor of 70D was in 7D Mark 2 then it won't be as successful as 7D.
If you still don't get it, suppose A is 7D and B is 60D and C = t3i.
A = B - few features & B = C - few features.
Suppose also A2 is 7D Mark II and B2 is 70D.
If A ~ A2 & B ~ B2, then you can also make the assumption that you are saying that the t2i, 60D, t3i and so on is eating into the success of the 7D.

All I'm saying is that it will also be A2 = B2 - few features.
No matter what you think the timeline is... 70D coming before the 7D mark 2 or after... it shouldn't eat into its success, cause it didn't do that to the current 7D.

It was revolutionary because the 7D was the first of its kind, but now its not first of its kind... its the second of its kind.

What utter rubbish! ... jrista, never said or implied any of the stuff you are imagining. He was making a simple point and you are making it into a complicated for no reason.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Finally, there is a glimmer of hope for the 7D II

+1

 

[Viggo]

Will the 100-400 join in on the release? ;D seems like it be a pretty brutal combo.

I, for one, hope they make it 20mp for low light performance. Helps for speed also.
I remember having my very dissapointing 1d3 when a friend bought the 7d when it's brand new. I was jealous, lol. (Yeah, nice story grandpa) lol. But the 7d didn't hold back, it went all in, and I think that is a superb line to follow. All things made "all-in" are usually great successes . Same with 1dx compared to the 1d3 and 1d4 imo. And it is what made the D3s the legend it is, they went all in... Keep it up Canon !

 

[funkboy]

realistically, the only real advantage of the 7D over the 60D were the auto-focus system and a faster burst rate.

I'd add:

• better viewfinder (both in coverage and the intelligent LCD overlay)
• better handling
• tougher (build, seals, etc)

To me, the 7D feels like a "pro" camera & the 60D is more "prosumer".