7D Mark II on Cameraegg
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Viggo said:
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That’s it right there, will this be an ‘all in’ camera or compromised. If those OP links and previous speculation on this site are correct it sounds to me like its going to be an ‘all in’ camera carrying on the 7D tradition.
I don’t care what the MP will be we know it will be at least 18, great.
AF in 1Dx territory, ambitious! but wow, but lets say 5D3, great.
We know that image quality will be at least as good as the 70D which is a step up from the 7D, great.
We know the ergonomics will be as good as the 7D, great.
FPS at least 8, great.
What will be interesting for me will be things like the card(s) choice/ slot count and how deep the buffer will be. USB 2 or 3, in software will it have proper auto ISO with ISO comp from the get go? these are secondary things, not show stoppers in any way but indicators of ‘all in’
I’m really really looking forward to this announcement because in a couple of years time I’ll either have a 7DII a 6DII or the 5DIII depending on my needs at that time.
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There were lots of little differences, but they added up... There was also the dual memory cards and AFMA...... Like I said, pro and enthusiast......funkboy said:
If the 70D is still the enthusiast camera, and it is definitely a fine camera, the features that make the 7D2 a pro level camera must be going to be nice..... I eagerly await the official specs....
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My prediction is that the 7D has tons of "awesome" new features- for video.
Maybe 2 card slots, a fancy headphone jack, 1080 60p...
Maybe 2 card slots, a fancy headphone jack, 1080 60p...
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Unless the low ISO noise and dynamic range has improved, I can't get too excited. Even the water shots at ISO 100 don't look right.
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mkabi said:jrista said:mkabi said:jrista said:Marauder said:IslanderMV said:
I think the principal difference here is that the 7D introduced the 18 MP sensor and the 60D followed it. Since the 7D II (or whatever it gets called) is following the 70D, it makes sense that they would develop a brand new sensor the 7D II and use the 70D sensor for the Rebels, in order to help justify the premium for the 7D II. Also, we've already seen one rebuttal rumour from Canon saying the 7D II would have a different sensor than the 70D. Of course, it's all just speculation at this point--but that's part of the fun!
Agree. That would seem more logical to me. If Canon gimps the 7D II by reusing the 70D sensor, it won't be nearly as successful as the original 7D. It really needs to be more revolutionary than evolutionary.
So you're saying that the t2i, followed by the 60D, followed by the t3i, t4i, and now t5i, all ate away into the success of the 7D?
Where in the world did you get that? I never even implied such a thing...
They all FOLLOWED the 7D. The point was that the 7D introduced something new...something that did NOT reuse prior tech. I am saying that the 7D II should do the same...introduce something NEW! Something like, say, a NEW 24mp APS-C sensor maybe.
Mathematical induction - If A = B and B = C, then A = C.
Similarly, if A = B and B = C, then B = A and C = B.
You just said that if the same sensor of 70D was in 7D Mark 2 then it won't be as successful as 7D.
If you still don't get it, suppose A is 7D and B is 60D and C = t3i.
A = B - few features & B = C - few features.
Suppose also A2 is 7D Mark II and B2 is 70D.
If A ~ A2 & B ~ B2, then you can also make the assumption that you are saying that the t2i, 60D, t3i and so on is eating into the success of the 7D.
All I'm saying is that it will also be A2 = B2 - few features.
No matter what you think the timeline is... 70D coming before the 7D mark 2 or after... it shouldn't eat into its success, cause it didn't do that to the current 7D.
It was revolutionary because the 7D was the first of its kind, but now its not first of its kind... its the second of its kind.
The 7D came out with a new sensor. A year later the 60D used basically the same sensor. And six months after that the T3i came with almost the same sensor again. That's how parts/tech are expected, and usually do trickle down.
That is much different than a new sensor being introduced with the 70D (July 2013) and then maybe a year later the 7D II get's it's hand-me-down. That will not sit well with most users that care about that sort of thing.
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mkabi said:
I think people are confusing successful and being a better camera.
There is almost universal agreement that the 7D was a better camera than the 60D.
The 60D sold far better than the 7D, so it was a more successful camera.
I would expect to see the same pattern for the 7D2 and the 70D.
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sensor sensor sensor. That's all y'all talk about. Why is pixel density such a deal dealer? I rarely use every pixel in an image and I presently complain about the files size of my raw images.
I don't need a 7d, but if it were a solid upgrade over the 70d, I would think that would be satisfactory to a sufficient number of buyers.
In the abstract, sure everyone wants a body that is 30 megapixels 10 fps, usable iso of 6400, 4k video, dual card slots, touch screen, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and a hot Asian model with every purchase.
But in reality... being a bit better can be significantly better for certain individuals.
I don't need a 7d, but if it were a solid upgrade over the 70d, I would think that would be satisfactory to a sufficient number of buyers.
In the abstract, sure everyone wants a body that is 30 megapixels 10 fps, usable iso of 6400, 4k video, dual card slots, touch screen, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and a hot Asian model with every purchase.
But in reality... being a bit better can be significantly better for certain individuals.
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Doesn't the T2i have the same sensor and it came "before" the 7D? or am I too tired to think straight... ? ???
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jdramirez said:
The biggest deal about pixel density is the depthness of cropping. For those of us shooting wildlife we mostly have to crop...often pretty deep as we cannot get our subjects to cooperate most of the time to allow for full frame images. More MP gives us more to work with.
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The much criticized sensor Canon 18 megapixel APS-C first appeared on the 7D. Then it was the T2i, 60D, several Rebels, and then EOS-M. I may be wrong, but I have the impression that the best balance between sharpness and noise was achieved with the T2i. If we consider also the in-camera JPEG processing, then T5i has the nicest images of all cameras that use the same (almost) 18 megapixel sensor.K-amps said:
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East Wind Photography said:
I shoot sports so I'm not nearly as close to the action as I'd like to be so I crop into my images as well. I suppose if you have exhausted every option, a 2x teleconvertor, a 400mm + lens, etc... then yes cropping can be a last resort. But if 18 mp can't get it done, 24mp Wil be better but not a panacea.
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DanielW said:Sanaraken said:
Well, I will keep on waiting...
Good luck with the 5D3!
The 5D3 is an excellent choice. I remember, one or two years into my old 30D I pondered on a 7D. But then I changed my mind to save up for FF, what was a 5D2 for me back then. Well, as I learned of the AF issues and the expectations towards its replacement I took the second mile and waited out for the 5D3 which I purchased in August 12. Still paid the 3.5k premium, but there ain't no regrets. Still in the learning curve...But it is more camera than I ever can handle...So if low light IQ is an issue, go 5D3 or 6D. I'd never go back again.
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