7D Mark II on Cameraegg
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Sure, I want to be able to expand into sports & wild life photography. Don't get me wrong the 5D Mark III is a great camera and it will handle most of my needs but it just doesn't have the blazing fps. I pondered this for countless months and I won't be purchasing another body for a while after this one. I currently own a 5D Mark II.....also it will give me a great excuse to go out a purchase some more excellent glass.jdramirez said:
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Don I can't wait to see what the 7D II has to offer. I believe there will be some very happy shooters when that baby finally arrives...Don Haines said:
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East that will be a very blissful day for me but for now I have to suck it up and shell out the bucks for it.East Wind Photography said:
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ewg963 said:
The 7Ds AF system has an intrinsic jitter that negates a lot of it's FPS advantage. Even when locked onto a subject, there are small changes in the actual AF position every single frame, which can kill that "one best frame". Overall, the keeper rate with the current 7D falls around 4-5 per second, at best. The 5D III has a vastly superior AF system, putting it in the same bucket, and possibly even beating the 7D with a consistent 5-6 keepers per second (it's AF system rarely misses and doesn't seem to jitter.)
Unless Canon actually puts a better AF system in the 7D, and guarantees that whatever AF system they do put in it doesn't have that jitter, the extra FPS isn't going to be all that much of a lead over the 5D III.
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Here's a bit of a non sequitur question... why did the 7d ship with the 28-135? The lens creep on that thing is atrocious, sharpness was less than the 18-135, and it really doesn't address the wide angle much with the 28 x 1.6. Maybe there are those who love the 28-135, but compared to the lens offerings available, it seems pretty bad.
And I realize there is the 15-85 and 17-55 options out there, but I don't believe they were kitted with the 7d, though I may be wrong about that.
And I realize there is the 15-85 and 17-55 options out there, but I don't believe they were kitted with the 7d, though I may be wrong about that.
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jdramirez said:
I think it was also kitted with the 18-135 EF-s. They probably kitted it with the 28-135 to get rid of stock?
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pdirestajr said:
The 15-85 was announced at about the same time as the 7D. I remember I fully expected it to be the kit lens, but it wasn't (or at least it wasn't for the first year or so, I haven't followed it since then to know if it is currently kitted with the 7D).
I suspect that when Canon looked at the combined price of the 7D and 15-85 (or worse yet, the 17-55) they realized that the price point would be too high. I have never figured out why Canon insists on kitting 28-135 lenses with APS-C cameras. Seems like a ridiculous combination to me.
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Sanaraken said:
I guess I remember it a little differently. Prior to the announcement, there were any number of people on this forum who absolutely knew that the 5DIII would have inferior autofocus (the catchword at the time was "crippled.")
Then, when it came out, most of the wailing was over the price. Those who bought raved about the high ISO performance, autofocus and almost everything else. As the price has dropped, the sales have climbed and you are correct in that it now significantly outsells the D800.
That said, I would agree that waiting for the 7DII does seem a bit like Deja Vu and I certainly hope that we will be equally surprised at how good the camera is.
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pdirestajr said:
I think you might be right... but who is the person who wants a pro level crop body and is willing to throw down a little extra cash for a mediocre lens. Who does their homework only on the body and just takes a blind stab in the dark in the lens.
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Sanaraken said:
I personally was very impressed with the specs of the mkiii (but I'm also 99% ignorant to Nikon FF bodies). So I didn't know there was a hotter sluttier version that caused the mkiii to suffer by comparison. What freaked me out was the price.
I had settled on buying a full frame refurb from Canon for around $1500 which the mkii was going at... but then the price tag of $3500 shows up and I wasn't even in the ball park. Then the price drop... then Amazon got me out of a jam and the price wasn't insurmountable.
As for the 7d mkii... it seems like people expect too much. It's a crop body. Even if there are marginal improvements in iso and dynamic range, it won't be comparable to full frame. And at a price tag of $1700 (complete guess) for the body, I can't see there being THAT many features to warrant paying twice the price of 2.5 used models in good condition.
Having said that... I think the 5d mkiii was worth 2.25 used mkii's... so what do I know.
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I think it all comes down to a combination of how deep your pockets are, and what features does it have. For many people, a rebel has all the features that they need or want.... And they can't understand why you would pay ten times as much for a 1DX..... A camera that is big and heavy and crippled in features... It doesn't even have a tilt-swivel touchscreen or WiFi and takes those ancient memory cards that don't plug into laptops or tablets or TVs...jdramirez said:
For those who want the extra features of a newer body and for those who will take significant advantage of them, the upgraded bodies seem like a bargain... If better AF doubles your keeper rate it is worth it... If for the way you shoot it makes no difference, it is not
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unfocused said:
Personally I'm not so much concerned about how it performs relative to the 5diii. It will be better than the 7d and that's what matters to me. I rarely use the 7d anymore as the 5diii records way better images...even cropped. If the leaked specs to date are any indication the upgrade is a no brainer. Now...let's see how much canon can milk our bank accounts...
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Single Digic 5+?
Single Digic 6?
Dual Digic 5+?
or
Dual Digic 6?
According to Wikipedia, the 1DX uses Dual Digic 5+ and a Separate Digic 4 for Intelligent Subject Analysis System. I don't own a 1DX so someone else can confirm.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIGIC
I want Dual Digic 6, but it hasn't been put in DSLRs yet - may be its specific for P&S?
I strongly doubt it will be a single Digic 5+ but then again...
Single Digic 6?
Dual Digic 5+?
or
Dual Digic 6?
According to Wikipedia, the 1DX uses Dual Digic 5+ and a Separate Digic 4 for Intelligent Subject Analysis System. I don't own a 1DX so someone else can confirm.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIGIC
I want Dual Digic 6, but it hasn't been put in DSLRs yet - may be its specific for P&S?
I strongly doubt it will be a single Digic 5+ but then again...
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I seem to remember that previous rumours that talked about specs were saying dual digic5+, but I would not be surprised if it were dual Digic6.... each iteration of the processor seems to be a good jump in speed.. Digic6 probably beats dual Digic5+ so I kind of hope for dual Digic5+...mkabi said:
And to those who say that it cant be Dual Digic6 because that's better than the 1DX has, how come a powershot has Digic6 and the 5D3 does not
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Don Haines said:I seem to remember that previous rumours that talked about specs were saying dual digic5+, but I would not be surprised if it were dual Digic6.... each iteration of the processor seems to be a good jump in speed.. Digic6 probably beats dual Digic5+ so I kind of hope for dual Digic5+...mkabi said:
And to those who say that it cant be Dual Digic6 because that's better than the 1DX has, how come a powershot has Digic6 and the 5D3 does not
I don't think that DIGIC 6 is what people think it is. DIGIC 6 is used in PowerShot because its new features were designed for the kind of consumer-grade features PowerShot offers. It supports 9.3fps average frame rate (12.2fps continuous up to 5 frames, after which the rate slows), but that is its minor feature. The big features are the way it handles highlight preservation, noise reduction at high ISO, etc. DIGIC 6 is about DSP image processing features, I don't think Canon has ever intended it to be the real replacement for DIGIC 5/5+.
I suspect the 7D II will use dual DIGIC 5+. It doesn't seem all that logical for Canon to create a new DIGIC 7 for the 7D II yet, as the DIGIC 5+ still offers plenty of data processing throughput. Given the derivation of the throughput for a pair of DIGIC 5+ like so:
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dataRate = (14fps * 19,100,000pixels * 14bit) / 8bit/byte + overhead
dataRate = 467,950,000bps + overhead
dataRate = 468mbps + overheadAssuming Canon didn't create DIGIC 5+ with 234mb/s, it seems logical that each one is capable of 250mb/s (~32mbps overhead per second). At 24mp, we can derive the frame rate of the 7D II if we assume a 500mb/s data rate (Dual DIGIC 5+):
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500,000,000bps = (fps * 25,200,000px * 14bit) / 8bit/byte + 32,050,000bps overhead
467,950,000bps = (fps * 25,200,000px * 14bit) / 8bit/byte
467,950,000bps * 8bit/byte = fps * 25,200,000px * 14bit
3,743,600,000bps / (25,200,000px * 14bit) = fps
fps = 3,743,600,000bps / 352,800,000px/bit
fps = 10.611fpsSo, with a pair of DIGIC 5+, the 7D II with a 24mp APS-C sensor could easily reach 10fps, and have even more room left over for overhead than the 1D X. Unless Canon is intending to give the 7D II a 12fps frame rate, I don't see the need for a new DIGIC 6+ or DIGIC 7. Maybe some of the image processing features in the DIGIC 6 could be useful, however I am not exactly sure what it's data throughput rate is...however I am pretty sure it isn't actually quite as good as a single DIGIC 5+ (based on what I've been able to derive from a couple PowerShot megapixel counts and the frame rate for the first five frames, it seems like the DIGIC 6 is capable of 225mb/s, it it falls short of DIGIC 5+ by about 25mb/s.)
It is possible that Canon might create a DIGIC 6+. If they did, assuming they scale DIGIC 6+ the same way they scaled DIGIC 5+ over DIGIC 5, then a single DIGIC 6+ should be about 3x as powerful as a DIGIC 6. That would put it's data throughput rate somewhere around 640mb/s to 675mb/s. That would mean that a single DIGIC 6+ would be enough to give the 7D II a 14fps frame rate.
For some reason, I don't really see that happening...not sure why, just doesn't feel like Canon is ready to drop that particular improvement on us yet. I suspect such a new DIGIC 6+ chip (or maybe they call it DIGIC 7) will arrive with the big megapixel camera. A data throughput rate of 700mb/s would be enough to support 8fps for a 46.7mp FF sensor at 14bit, and even enough to support 7fps at full 16bit!
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jrista said:Don Haines said:I seem to remember that previous rumours that talked about specs were saying dual digic5+, but I would not be surprised if it were dual Digic6.... each iteration of the processor seems to be a good jump in speed.. Digic6 probably beats dual Digic5+ so I kind of hope for dual Digic5+...mkabi said:
And to those who say that it cant be Dual Digic6 because that's better than the 1DX has, how come a powershot has Digic6 and the 5D3 does not
I don't think that DIGIC 6 is what people think it is. DIGIC 6 is used in PowerShot because its new features were designed for the kind of consumer-grade features PowerShot offers. It supports 9.3fps average frame rate (12.2fps continuous up to 5 frames, after which the rate slows), but that is its minor feature. The big features are the way it handles highlight preservation, noise reduction at high ISO, etc. DIGIC 6 is about DSP image processing features, I don't think Canon has ever intended it to be the real replacement for DIGIC 5/5+.
I suspect the 7D II will use dual DIGIC 5+. It doesn't seem all that logical for Canon to create a new DIGIC 7 for the 7D II yet, as the DIGIC 5+ still offers plenty of data processing throughput. Given the derivation of the throughput for a pair of DIGIC 5+ like so:
Code:dataRate = (14fps * 19,100,000pixels * 14bit) / 8bit/byte + overhead dataRate = 467,950,000bps + overhead dataRate = 468mbps + overhead
Assuming Canon didn't create DIGIC 5+ with 234mb/s, it seems logical that each one is capable of 250mb/s (~32mbps overhead per second). At 24mp, we can derive the frame rate of the 7D II if we assume a 500mb/s data rate (Dual DIGIC 5+):
Code:500,000,000bps = (fps * 25,200,000px * 14bit) / 8bit/byte + 32,050,000bps overhead 467,950,000bps = (fps * 25,200,000px * 14bit) / 8bit/byte 467,950,000bps * 8bit/byte = fps * 25,200,000px * 14bit 3,743,600,000bps / (25,200,000px * 14bit) = fps fps = 3,743,600,000bps / 352,800,000px/bit fps = 10.611fps
So, with a pair of DIGIC 5+, the 7D II with a 24mp APS-C sensor could easily reach 10fps, and have even more room left over for overhead than the 1D X. Unless Canon is intending to give the 7D II a 12fps frame rate, I don't see the need for a new DIGIC 6+ or DIGIC 7. Maybe some of the image processing features in the DIGIC 6 could be useful, however I am not exactly sure what it's data throughput rate is...however I am pretty sure it isn't actually quite as good as a single DIGIC 5+ (based on what I've been able to derive from a couple PowerShot megapixel counts and the frame rate for the first five frames, it seems like the DIGIC 6 is capable of 225mb/s, it it falls short of DIGIC 5+ by about 25mb/s.)
It is possible that Canon might create a DIGIC 6+. If they did, assuming they scale DIGIC 6+ the same way they scaled DIGIC 5+ over DIGIC 5, then a single DIGIC 6+ should be about 3x as powerful as a DIGIC 6. That would put it's data throughput rate somewhere around 640mb/s to 675mb/s. That would mean that a single DIGIC 6+ would be enough to give the 7D II a 14fps frame rate.
For some reason, I don't really see that happening...not sure why, just doesn't feel like Canon is ready to drop that particular improvement on us yet. I suspect such a new DIGIC 6+ chip (or maybe they call it DIGIC 7) will arrive with the big megapixel camera. A data throughput rate of 700mb/s would be enough to support 8fps for a 46.7mp FF sensor at 14bit, and even enough to support 7fps at full 16bit!
I'm confused, why call it a DIGIC 6 if its not an improvement on the DIGIC 5+?
Isn't a dual-DIGIC 6 better than a single DIGIC 5+?
They used a DIGIC 5 in a t4i/650D...
At this point, anything that improves on a dual DIGIC 4 is better than no change...
Plus, even if it is a dual DIGIC 6 and it is less powerful than a dual DIGIC 5+ then won't it keep the 1DX supreme. It wont' hurt its sales in terms of specs.
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