A New 85L is on the Way [CR2]

Maximilian said:
Personally I find 1.2 on an 85mm focal length to give too shallow DOF in almost all cases though.

I don't understand this common view. If the DoF is too narrow at 1.2, you are too close (or just stop down). What the f/1.2 allows is shallow DoF even at greater distances which allows me to get very unique full body portraits PLUS full surroundings and still get background blur. Most other lenses can't do this.

To me, the value of a specialty lens is what it can do that others can't.

So many times when I see reviews of f/1.2 or bigger aperture lenses, people just take closeups with a completely blurred background, and never test the limits of how far out you can still blur the background while framing a wide scene that telephotos can't frame.
 
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My, oh my. Christmas came early this year. I had a brief fling with the Fuji X-T1 and a bunch of their wonderful primes, but ultimately decided that I can't live with the crappy continuous AF. (You'll have to pry the X100T out of my cold, dead, hands though!)

I'm glad I didn't sell my 5DIII... because I fully intend to pick up the new 35L and 85L. Along with the 24-70 II and 70-200 IS, I will be completely covered.
 
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GMCPhotographics said:
I think I'd be happier with an update to the 50L. The 85IIL is an amazing lens already. Sure the new blue refractive optics, weather sealing and non fly by wire AF would be improvements. But...as it stands, it's still an exceptional optic and unmatched in the market place by anyone else.

Can't argue with that! But I'll take what I can get, and I imagine a 50L update will be on the way soon.
 
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switters said:
My, oh my. Christmas came early this year. I had a brief fling with the Fuji X-T1 and a bunch of their wonderful primes, but ultimately decided that I can't live with the crappy continuous AF. (You'll have to pry the X100T out of my cold, dead, hands though!)

I'm glad I didn't sell my 5DIII... because I fully intend to pick up the new 35L and 85L. Along with the 24-70 II and 70-200 IS, I will be completely covered.

I think you mean Christmas 2016. Nothing in the rumor about 2015. Don't make buying decisions based on a far off rumor, too many things can happen to derail it.
 
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
switters said:
My, oh my. Christmas came early this year. I had a brief fling with the Fuji X-T1 and a bunch of their wonderful primes, but ultimately decided that I can't live with the crappy continuous AF. (You'll have to pry the X100T out of my cold, dead, hands though!)

I'm glad I didn't sell my 5DIII... because I fully intend to pick up the new 35L and 85L. Along with the 24-70 II and 70-200 IS, I will be completely covered.

I think you mean Christmas 2016. Nothing in the rumor about 2015. Don't make buying decisions based on a far off rumor, too many things can happen to derail it.

Ha ha. Just a figure of speech.
 
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dilbert said:
At f/1.2 on 85mm, how thin is the DoF? You're almost forced to stop down just to get more than just the tip of someone's nose in focus.

Having 1.2 allows subject-background separation when the subject is far away, and you can include their surroundings in the portrait. The effect can be simply fantastic.

Sure, the DoF is too thin at 1.2 in many situations but you can stop down. Especially if you are too close.

I find it incredibly useful, and it is probably my favorite lens. It would be very sad if Canon stopped making the 85L at f/1.2.
 
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GMCPhotographics said:
I think I'd be happier with an update to the 50L. The 85IIL is an amazing lens already. Sure the new blue refractive optics, weather sealing and non fly by wire AF would be improvements. But...as it stands, it's still an exceptional optic and unmatched in the market place by anyone else.

+1

Exactly!
 
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ford0180 said:
dilbert said:
At f/1.2 on 85mm, how thin is the DoF? You're almost forced to stop down just to get more than just the tip of someone's nose in focus.

Having 1.2 allows subject-background separation when the subject is far away, and you can include their surroundings in the portrait. The effect can be simply fantastic.

Sure, the DoF is too thin at 1.2 in many situations but you can stop down. Especially if you are too close.

I find it incredibly useful, and it is probably my favorite lens. It would be very sad if Canon stopped making the 85L at f/1.2.

True, but you have to get pretty far away to fit a whole body, or even a seated person.
I wish it was the 50 1.2 getting an update.
In time I suppose
 
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With the 50L f/1.2 still not on Canon's Website, I'd presume that it will be the next release. The 85L has always been reviewed higher that the 50L and there isn't much to compare it to outside a +4K Zeiss Otus. I've heard the auto focus is much slower on that 1.4 Zeiss! I would also think the 135 f/2 with IS would sell more with an update. The rumor said late 2016, if the 11-24 was aprox 6 months ago, next is 35 Mark II, I would think another red ring in between. Marketing folks are probably the ultimate source of most leaks/rumors, and it is good business to let your customers know what they can anticipate to hedge them from buying outside of Canon.
 
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Oooh, bam!

I would be all over that lens like a rash.

Can't say that I've been a fan of the chromatic aberration produced by the current EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM, which the new blue refracting layer should fix nicely.

Only issue I can see is that this will be a seriously expensive piece of glass.

Canon's really coming out with some great lenses, I supposed pushed along by Sigma.
 
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Machaon said:
Oooh, bam!

I would be all over that lens like a rash.

Can't say that I've been a fan of the chromatic aberration produced by the current EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM, which the new blue refracting layer should fix nicely.

Only issue I can see is that this will be a seriously expensive piece of glass.

Canon's really coming out with some great lenses, I supposed pushed along by Sigma.

I don't believe the Canon lens division gives a damn what Sigma, Tamron, Sony or even Nikon do, lets face it the Nikon 200-400 went unanswered for 10 years, even longer if you count the manual focus version from 1983.

There is no other camera company capable or inclined to make the vast array of lenses Canon make, many of which are unmatched world beaters. DR be damned, I want cameras from a company committed to my artistic vision, a company that spends millions of dollars designing and building an 11-24, the TSE-17, a 200-400 worthy of the 50MP sensors, the f1.2's (and the f1.0!) the list just goes on and on. Diffractive Optics which they will make work one day, this new Blue Spectrum Refractive Optics already looks to have tamed my biggest problem with the MkI 35L and will obviously be used in other lenses.

I don't love inanimate things, but I sure do like Canon at the moment.............
 
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A new 85L sounds interesting. The 85L II is maybe my favorite lens, but the CA and LoCa (or what ever) are extremely annoying. The 85L II also isn't that sharp. It feels like the 5D3 has too many megapixels for that lens.

ford0180 said:
Having 1.2 allows subject-background separation when the subject is far away, and you can include their surroundings in the portrait. The effect can be simply fantastic.

I don't really agree. Besides, if the 85L II is set up to focus well when distances are "normal" it will not focus on distant targets.
 
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YuengLinger said:
GMCPhotographics said:
I think I'd be happier with an update to the 50L. The 85IIL is an amazing lens already. Sure the new blue refractive optics, weather sealing and non fly by wire AF would be improvements. But...as it stands, it's still an exceptional optic and unmatched in the market place by anyone else.

+1
Exactly!
Sure, the one that needs a refreshment is the 50L and probably adding IS to the 135L.
 
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Canon Rumors said:
Could the new 85L be f/1.4 instead of f/1.2? It’s possible, they went slower moving from the EF 50 f/1.0L to the 50 f/1.2L. Although, having the lens at f/1.2 does give Canon some bragging rights for DSLR lenses.</p>

Reading between words a 50mm f/1.0 L Mk.2 could be on. If the BR element proves a winner Canon can really up their game. And the architecture of the lens does have that convex/concave element in-tandem for the BR.

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dSLR sales are fast dropping so some real excitement is needed.
 
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Going to f/1.4 is sensible. At f/1.2 on 85mm, how thin is the DoF? You're almost forced to stop down just to get more than just the tip of someone's nose in focus.

I think most people just have a too short view on f-stops. It's not all about Depth of Field. a bright f1.2 lens gives you a bright viewfinder, which is important on low light AF. You can also use Teleconverters, which gives you for example a nice 150mm f2 with an 1.7x Kenko. A 85mm f1.2 stopped down to f1.8 is quite fantastic, I won't give that description to any f1.8 lens wide open.

And f1.2 with IS? Hmm, I don't think that would happen because the additional lensegroup would most likely vary the focallenght, so you have to build a formula for an 85mm f1.0 to get back to f1.2 IS. That's also the reason why centralshutter-lenses have no aperture-records. The shutter needs space...
 
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