A positive feedback for 6D

[Imagination_landB]

I can confirm, that the AF works very well. It´s better in low light than the AF build in the 5D Mark III.

a NEW PROTOTYPE EH? and for your comment i'm pretty impressed bye that, an low light af system that is better in a 2000 camera than in the 3500 one.. Mmmmmm

I would tone down the sarcasm. The 6D specs indicate that its AF light sensitivity is -3EV.

EDIT: from the Canon USA website:

A new 11-point AF including a high-precision center cross-type AF point with EV -3 sensitivity allows focusing in extreme low-light conditions... http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_6d

From the same website, re: 5D Mark III:

AF Working Range
EV -2 - 18 (at 73°F/23°C and ISO 100)
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii?selectedName=Specifications

So, yeah, the 6D has a more senstive AF system in low light.

I was not sarcastic at all. I didn't see these specs. and for the new prototype comment just look at his gear list..

 

[Deleted member 7828]

I'd be interested in the answer to that question as well. As a 60D owner I'm actually surprised at how similar the two cameras seem to be...

I recently upgraded from the 60D to the 5DII. They seem very similar in most of the ways that I shoot. A couple ergonomic issues are different, but largely they are the same. For example, the AF seems identical. The metering on my 5DII seems a little more accurate. The key differentiator is the ISO speed and cleaner noise at higher ISOs, which benefits the 5DII (and 6D) substantially. Regardless of how the 6D performance shakes out, you should consider a 5DII upgrade path because the ISO performance is a real upgrade.

Thanks for the insight...interesting. I really do like the 60D- it even exceeded my expectations when I shot some action last week- for having "only 9" AF points I got quite a few keepers. My only complaint about it, and it's not really a complaint per se as it's a wish - I would like better high ISO performance. There are times that I'm feeling the limits of ISO 3200 (yes, even with an f2.8 lens) and would like to go higher but can't due to the excessive noise levels. Hoping the new 7D II has this, and I can keep the crop factor for my long lenses.

To clarify, any use for a FF camera like the 6D would be mostly travel, walkaround and events. If I chose to go this route, I would almost certainly keep the 60D to get maximum reach out of my telephotos (70-200 2.8 and 70-300). Lens-wise, I have mostly EFs anyway - the only EF-S I have is the 17-55 (but it's one of my most used ones).

I'd like to see how the 6D's AF performs in practice, and whether it is at least on par with the 60D, because it sounds like at least on paper, with the exception of the low-light rating, it's somewhat of a downgrade. Plus, if it's true that FF cameras require more accurate focusing due to more limited DOF, this would seem even more critical...?

 

[Deleted member 7828]

I think the 6D would be an excellent travel camera. With a FF sensor, you can just bring a pancake and you are good to go, even in low light situations. The -3EV AF is a terrific feature.

That's exactly what I'm thinking here. I already have the 24-105, slap that on and that's the travel pack right there. The high ISO would be perfect for no-flash places & evening excursions, the wider view fine for landscape and tourist shots, and the sealing good for unexpected weather conditions. Not that the 60D wouldn't do a fine job in that regard- it would- but eventually, when it's possible to take that next step, this might be an option.

Still, the price must come down several hundred dollars first. I'm also interested in that new EOS M camera (different reason - might get good use in areas where DSLRs are too bulky/attention-grabbing/suspicious/etc.) so (after reviews) might spring for that and then see what next year brings.

 

[DzPhotography]

I was there too. They were all preproduction models with the card compartment taped shut. The AF is really really fast believe me

 

[Ryan_W]

I tend to wonder if not allowing people to keep any photos might be an indication that they aren't quite done with the design process yet. If it was a model ready for production, reviewers would already have full reviews on and it would have a hard shipping date.

If they aren't ready to finalize the design, perhaps there's hope that some of the sticking points will be resolved as well.

 

[Marsu42]

I tend to wonder if not allowing people to keep any photos might be an indication that they aren't quite done with the design process yet.

I'd rather day manufacturers don't want horrible "sample 6d" shots all over the internet as a bad reference, since the "real" reviews might take a while and take more than taking a few pictures.

A lot people was wondering why 6D had only 11 AF and only the center is cross-type? I suspect it might due to design, current technology and cost limitation... may be to increase an AF point sensitive

Does anyone know if the other non-center points are -3 ev sensitive, too? If not that couldn't be the reason for the non-cross type points, leaving marketing and cost.

 

[xps]

I returned from my weekly photomeeting. A friend showed his brand new D600, he bought today.
Wow. There are more then three times more AF fields, two card slots, and the af works fast, even in our meeting room. 2000 €.

If I buy the 6D, what do I get for my money?
I had no 6D in my hands. But in my opinion the D600 is a lot better than the 6D, looking at the specifications

 

[mirekti]

Does anyone know if all autofocus points are -3EV or only the centre one?

 

[xps]

I hope, Canon will respond to the D600.

In the morning, we went to take some shots from grouses and deer. (In the Alps the fall is starting...)
Morning light, foggy....
My 60D hat problems with AF. The new D600not. On the monitor the pics were sharp @ high iso. much less noise than my 60D. Great Camera. I´m a little bit envious about that.... :'(
The owner of this D600 Camera was not used to his brandnew Camera. He used an 80-400mm lens

 

[lola]

I bet what I've played with at Photokina wasn't even a "real" 6D!
Just a random prototype with a super-glued card slot and a 6D sticker...

 

[M.ST]

Re to Marsu42

Canon told me at the Photokina that only the center crosstype AF point has a -3 ev sensitivity.

 

[Octavian]

I didnt think it was but it seems it is...

Compatible with UHS-I cards

Type
Digital AF/AE single-lens reflex camera

Recording Media
SD card, SDHC card, SDXC memory card

* Compatible with Ultra High-Speed (UHS-I) memory cards.

Image Format
35.8mm x 23.9mm (Full-Frame)

 

[RLPhoto]

Someone tested 6D on photokina and it seems the AF is not bad at all
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1150348

Not surprising, But is it worth more $$$ over the MK2? That is the question.

 

[Marsu42]

Canon told me at the Photokina that only the center crosstype AF point has a -3 ev sensitivity.

Yeah, though to - so much for the "-3ev needs larger af points that cannot be cross sensors" argument :-(

 

[bdunbar79]

Someone tested 6D on photokina and it seems the AF is not bad at all
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1150348

Not surprising, But is it worth more $$$ over the MK2? That is the question.

Perhaps not. I think it's more or less just an updated 5D Mark II for those that do not have FF.

 

[xps]

For me it was a shame today. My 60D and my wifes 7D were not able to track the running deer. no one of the photos are really sharp. iso auto, 1/400s. My friends shot ARE sharp and still looking goog, despite the Iso was more then 3200.

Dissatisfying. Why does Canon not respond to that "threatning"?
A 3D will surely be between 300-600 Euros. Much to expensive.

@ Marsu42: Ever been @ Garmisch? or Bad Tölz?

 

[Marsu42]

For me it was a shame today. My 60D and my wifes 7D were not able to track the running deer.

Don't know about the 7d, but one brownie point for even attempting to track something with the 60d ... the only thing the servo af is good for is to track something that is running directly towards or away from you at constant speed, and it'd better be something very large so all af points can cover it.

@ Marsu42: Ever been @ Garmisch? or Bad Tölz?

Nope, /me from Berlin, and Prussians don't fraternize with the Bavarian arch-enemy ... we do take your money though if pressed :-> ... and isn't Garmisch northern Italy already :-> ... yeah, I could go on, now you see why I've never been there, I'd have a hard time dodging punches.

 

[arioch82]

has any of you actually read that "test/review/comment"? is ridicolous, it doesn't mean anything

6. The result was blowing away my mind. The confirmation with 50mm 1.4 came immediatelly! The focus set perfect and I first could see what I shot on the screen! I did this maybe 10-15 times, turned the camera to the side and did a portrait of a backlit visitor sitting half in the darkness. Focus was perfect. The 5D II in compare was surching, surching, surching. It did not confirm. I repeated the test with the man and it was surching and surching and at least confirmed, too. I shot the pic but I can not say if it found the correct focus, because it was a 1/15th shot wide open and I could not hold it (sorry, I forgott to check the ISO setting). The pic done with the 6D was rasorsharp at ISO 25k.

i cannot believe how many fanboys here are finding excuses for an AF system like that that is what, 10 years old? when nikon on the other side is offering PRO-AF on even their lower-end cameras.
As long as people using canon products won't complain canon will keep using this kind of, sorry for the french, sh*t policy with their new products, not giving a damn of what the offer is like on the other side of the market.
I've always shot canon and probably always will since i like more their lenses but this doesn't mean that canon shouldn't try to offer a camera of the same level of a D600 if it's going to price it the same for instance; canon sensors are already a joke compared to the latest sony ones, they should've at least make some effort on some other aspects (and please don't mention wifi/gps)

My 2c

 

[lucuias]

Let's hope 6D has the same iso performance as 5DMark III.Then this camera (6D) will be a good 2nd body complimentary for Canon 5Dmark III

 

[getalife]

Actually the built-in GPS can be real useful for touristphotographers..