A positive feedback for 6D

[symmar22]

+++1
I am in the same trouble as you, I own quite a bit of glass for my 5D2s, and agree fully with you, Canon is on a very bad slope.... The sensors are crap compared to Sony/Nikon, the AF systems are prehistoric, not talking about pre-war light metering or middle-age flash system. The only thing that speaks for Canon is (sorry WAS) their glass, but since years they just release version 2 of what's already existing. Canon Creativity is about zero, Nikon has improved quite a bit on glass and their prices are decent.

If you take the 28mm f2.8, the old version sells for 200 euros when the new one is 650 euros?? 3 times the price for a basic 28mm? New 24-70mm twice the price of the old one? I don't know what kind of drugs they are on at Canon's but it looks pretty strong......

The 6D is not even for sale it already looks like a joke compared to the 600D and guess what ? It's not available; by then the D600 will cost 300 Euro less....

I switched from Nikon when the 5D2 appeared because it was a revolution (sensor speaking), knowing that everything else was worse than my D200 with it's crappy sensor. As I use a tripod 95% of the time I can cope with the drawbacks. The 5D2 was not a revolution, it was a single event. Canon has not been able to release one camera that competes with Nikon since then (except maybe the 7D).

I really think canon takes people for stupid, they release the 6D with an integrated WiFi/GPS combo, but they charge 500 Euro (WiFi) + 250 Euro (GPS) for the 5D3 accessories. In 4 months they made such a technical progress that they could put it in their mid level camera but not in the Pro ones. Not that I think these features have any use in photography, but for the principle.... They just think we are MORONS.

i cannot believe how many fanboys here are finding excuses for an AF system like that that is what, 10 years old? when nikon on the other side is offering PRO-AF on even their lower-end cameras.
As long as people using canon products won't complain canon will keep using this kind of, sorry for the french, sh*t policy with their new products, not giving a damn of what the offer is like on the other side of the market.
I've always shot canon and probably always will since i like more their lenses but this doesn't mean that canon shouldn't try to offer a camera of the same level of a D600 if it's going to price it the same for instance; canon sensors are already a joke compared to the latest sony ones, they should've at least make some effort on some other aspects (and please don't mention wifi/gps)

 

[Marsu42]

Not that I think these features have any use in photography, but for the principle.... They just think we are MORONS.

And looking around the Internet, Canon is correct - it's like Homer Simpsons buying a ff camera: "GPS and WiFi? I'll take two!". Doh.

Actually the built-in GPS can be real useful for touristphotographers..

Sure, but let's wait and see how long the battery works w/ gps on and how long it takes to re-acquire a fix if it's been turned off. Personally I carry around a dedicated gps tracker in my pocket with 24h battery life, and afterwards I just attach the gps data to the images - it takes some time, but sure works.

Originally I wanted to buy the Nikon d7000 because Nikon had these external gps options, but then I realized you don't really need them *except* if it had a compass, too, and the gps could log the direction the camera is pointing to, so in combination with the lens focal length you know exactly what area you shot - but the 6d cannot even do that, argh.

I'd really like the 6d to be good or even ok, but except for the wifi control (apps tba) this simply isn't it, it's either too crippled (af, 1/180 x-sync, 1/4000 shutter) or too few features (swivel screen, flash) or imho too expensive esp. considering the competition and the predecessor's current price.

 

[Bosman]

Let's hope 6D has the same iso performance as 5DMark III.Then this camera (6D) will be a good 2nd body complimentary for Canon 5Dmark III

This is def possible. The photo sites on the 6D are larger than the 5DM3 That has always been Canons selling point from the beginning of the Digital FF revolution, larger pixels gather light better. Now its still true but they have packed more pixels on there but have made them gapless keeping it even to the older fewer mp cameras back in the day but now with better sensor and firmware tech. I would bet if it wasn't as good as the 5dM3 that it would be because canon dumbed it down with firmware. We can all use that argument now that they publicly admit that the 1dx and 1dc are exactly the same camera except for the firmware.

 

[Axilrod]

But most of all - although being the smallest full frame camera in the world - that small body will work good as well.

I take it you haven't seen the Sony RX1?

 

[ishdakuteb]

Let's hope 6D has the same iso performance as 5DMark III.Then this camera (6D) will be a good 2nd body complimentary for Canon 5Dmark III

This is def possible. The photo sites on the 6D are larger than the 5DM3 That has always been Canons selling point from the beginning of the Digital FF revolution, larger pixels gather light better. Now its still true but they have packed more pixels on there but have made them gapless keeping it even to the older fewer mp cameras back in the day but now with better sensor and firmware tech. I would bet if it wasn't as good as the 5dM3 that it would be because canon dumbed it down with firmware. We can all use that argument now that they publicly admit that the 1dx and 1dc are exactly the same camera except for the firmware.

+1 exactly...

 

[Marsu42]

We can all use that argument now that they publicly admit that the 1dx and 1dc are exactly the same camera except for the firmware.

They didn't - Canon recently expressively stated that the 1dc uses another, better head dissipation system to deal with filming @4k...

 

[Zlatko]

+++1
I am in the same trouble as you, I own quite a bit of glass for my 5D2s, and agree fully with you, Canon is on a very bad slope.... The sensors are crap compared to Sony/Nikon, the AF systems are prehistoric, not talking about pre-war light metering or middle-age flash system. The only thing that speaks for Canon is (sorry WAS) their glass, but since years they just release version 2 of what's already existing. Canon Creativity is about zero, Nikon has improved quite a bit on glass and their prices are decent.

If you take the 28mm f2.8, the old version sells for 200 euros when the new one is 650 euros?? 3 times the price for a basic 28mm? New 24-70mm twice the price of the old one? I don't know what kind of drugs they are on at Canon's but it looks pretty strong......

The 6D is not even for sale it already looks like a joke compared to the 600D and guess what ? It's not available; by then the D600 will cost 300 Euro less....

I switched from Nikon when the 5D2 appeared because it was a revolution (sensor speaking), knowing that everything else was worse than my D200 with it's crappy sensor. As I use a tripod 95% of the time I can cope with the drawbacks. The 5D2 was not a revolution, it was a single event. Canon has not been able to release one camera that competes with Nikon since then (except maybe the 7D).

I really think canon takes people for stupid, they release the 6D with an integrated WiFi/GPS combo, but they charge 500 Euro (WiFi) + 250 Euro (GPS) for the 5D3 accessories. In 4 months they made such a technical progress that they could put it in their mid level camera but not in the Pro ones. Not that I think these features have any use in photography, but for the principle.... They just think we are MORONS.

Canon's releases (cameras, lenses, flashes) in recent years have been great upgrades for me, meeting my photography needs better than at any time since I started with Canon 10 years ago, so I disagree with just about everything you wrote. Obviously Nikon is meeting the needs of some photographers better. Likewise for Sony. This is to be expected, as photographers have different needs and preferences. If Nikon or Sony meet your needs better, then a switch is in order.

 

[Bosman]

We can all use that argument now that they publicly admit that the 1dx and 1dc are exactly the same camera except for the firmware.

They didn't - Canon recently expressively stated that the 1dc uses another, better head dissipation system to deal with filming @4k...

Ok a better heat dissipation system, perhaps the size of a nickle is added to the 1dx to make a 1dc with diff firmware. How does that alter my comment? That it no longer is exact? lol

 

[Marsu42]

We can all use that argument now that they publicly admit that the 1dx and 1dc are exactly the same camera except for the firmware.

They didn't - Canon recently expressively stated that the 1dc uses another, better head dissipation system to deal with filming @4k...

Ok a better heat dissipation system, perhaps the size of a nickle is added to the 1dx to make a 1dc with diff firmware. How does that alter my comment? That it no longer is exact? lol

Well, I just wanted to counter the conspiracy theory that 1dx=1dc *exactly*, that's all. I didn't screw open both cameras to compare them, and I guess you didn't either, so we don't know what they changed.

But of course the fact is that the 1dc has a very strange, purely "pro" price and that as a side effect Canon cuts possible features from the not really cheap 1dx & 5d3. Hail Magic Lantern!

 

[Bosman]

http://www.eoshd.com/content/9044/exclusive-canon-confirm-1d-c-4k-dslr-is-same-hardware-as-the-1d-x

This to me is identical enough to be called identical for all intensive purposes. I agree to disagree. I am thinking about firmware being the main thing to Canon's camera sensor capabilities. Firmware and gapless sensors being the last way to give their cameras a boost before moving to more advanced sensor tech. I claim no knowledge on the matter but believe it. Chuck Westfall did seem to allude to great firmware being a major advancement during the 5dm3 release.