A Very Detailed 1D Mark V Spec List [CR1]
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I'm calling shenanigans too.
"Metering modes Multi Center-weighted, Spot" - just those two metering modes on a pro camera? Don't think so.
I also don't think they would have SD on this. 32MP at 9+FPS. Do you know how much data that is? That's a lot of freakin' data! They are going to be needing dual UDMA and probably dual Digic 5's for that.
I also don't think they'd downgrade speed from the 10FPS of the ID Mark III and IV. Speed is paramount for a sports shooter. 1 extra frame per second could be the different between getting, and not getting the shot.
Total shenanigans. Glad this is only CR1.
"Metering modes Multi Center-weighted, Spot" - just those two metering modes on a pro camera? Don't think so.
I also don't think they would have SD on this. 32MP at 9+FPS. Do you know how much data that is? That's a lot of freakin' data! They are going to be needing dual UDMA and probably dual Digic 5's for that.
I also don't think they'd downgrade speed from the 10FPS of the ID Mark III and IV. Speed is paramount for a sports shooter. 1 extra frame per second could be the different between getting, and not getting the shot.
Total shenanigans. Glad this is only CR1.
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The overall feeling is of a list that was incompletely edited from a completely different camera's store spec sheet - as in a different manufacturer.
I tried plugging in a section of the list to Google and found somebody's old, but very similar, formatted list for the Canon A20...not all the categories are there, however. It's certainly possible that somebody took an existing list and added "features" as wanted, though. Plausible that it's from some store.
Perhaps it's intentional reverse psychology (who knows what extent somebody will go to in order to fool people), but it appears that an "original list" was butchered (carelessly?) in losing parts. For example:
"Articulated LCD Fixed"
Missing punctuation (or just sloppy).
Plausible:
- Same viewfinder unit as the 1Ds III, 1D Mark IV (hopefully with the same large view as the 1Ds due to the sensor size, however).
- 640x480 doesn't seem as useful as a voice note function but could be used for much the same purpose. Depends on how simple or difficult (menu-reliant) it would be to set it up.
- "Clip mode yes" - on a similar note, while retaining the old 640x480 mode isn't unthinkable, what stands out here is that this feature is for the lower-end cameras so far. It would be a reversal of the "take pictures while shooting movies" modes of previous cameras, though a dedicated movie mode button makes it thinkable (ergonomically, I'm sure it would mess with the claimed continuous mode speed). I suppose it's possible for Canon to simply include the clip movie factory aspect of previous lower end cameras, though its actual value seems slight. I don't think this is an area where there has to be a tradeoff with some other feature, however - this should be mainly a firmware feature.
Implausible:
- The SD/SDHC spec could just be another typo, or just an old habit. However I would expect online retailers are going to list SDXC when it's available; should already be listed with some cameras...
Overall, it does make sense that the first of the Canon cameras to be announced would be a 1D Mark V, instead of a 5D Mark III, due to attrition of potential high end sales by the lower-end. It's not at all a certain bet though.
Also, with the sort of incredible throughput claimed (I haven't tried any math to see if 1080p120 and 32mpix are in the same ballpark in terms of throughput, partly due to uncertainty about the bitrate of the codec used), this might explain why some people have claimed dual DIGIC V processors are going to be used in some cameras. That initially seemed wasteful to me, but perhaps less so than producing higher-frequency or dedicated multicore style units for higher end cameras (which would be wasteful on cheaper, crippled cameras with cores or frequency locked out or lowered, though lower camera designs might still allow use of DIGIC IV). Here, however, there is no explicit mention of how many processors there are, let alone the DIGIC V's internal design, though it seems most likely that just one is meant (as the 7D spec sheets don't simply say "DIGIC IV," but rather "dual DIGIC IV").
I am thinking that the chip could be a new Sony design...we'll know later. If it's Canon's own design, they are in a good position. If not...
I tried plugging in a section of the list to Google and found somebody's old, but very similar, formatted list for the Canon A20...not all the categories are there, however. It's certainly possible that somebody took an existing list and added "features" as wanted, though. Plausible that it's from some store.
This certainly doesn't look like Canon't own list. "Image Stabilization: No" would only fit for compacts or cameras with sensor stabilization (i.e. Olympus, Sony cameras). Similar problem with the "digital zoom" category.WarStreet said:The way the list is formatted it is like a leaked general spec list used from a online seller, or maybe someone who copied an online seller format and modified
Perhaps it's intentional reverse psychology (who knows what extent somebody will go to in order to fool people), but it appears that an "original list" was butchered (carelessly?) in losing parts. For example:
"Articulated LCD Fixed"
Missing punctuation (or just sloppy).
Plausible:
- Same viewfinder unit as the 1Ds III, 1D Mark IV (hopefully with the same large view as the 1Ds due to the sensor size, however).
- 640x480 doesn't seem as useful as a voice note function but could be used for much the same purpose. Depends on how simple or difficult (menu-reliant) it would be to set it up.
- "Clip mode yes" - on a similar note, while retaining the old 640x480 mode isn't unthinkable, what stands out here is that this feature is for the lower-end cameras so far. It would be a reversal of the "take pictures while shooting movies" modes of previous cameras, though a dedicated movie mode button makes it thinkable (ergonomically, I'm sure it would mess with the claimed continuous mode speed). I suppose it's possible for Canon to simply include the clip movie factory aspect of previous lower end cameras, though its actual value seems slight. I don't think this is an area where there has to be a tradeoff with some other feature, however - this should be mainly a firmware feature.
Implausible:
- The SD/SDHC spec could just be another typo, or just an old habit. However I would expect online retailers are going to list SDXC when it's available; should already be listed with some cameras...
Overall, it does make sense that the first of the Canon cameras to be announced would be a 1D Mark V, instead of a 5D Mark III, due to attrition of potential high end sales by the lower-end. It's not at all a certain bet though.
Also, with the sort of incredible throughput claimed (I haven't tried any math to see if 1080p120 and 32mpix are in the same ballpark in terms of throughput, partly due to uncertainty about the bitrate of the codec used), this might explain why some people have claimed dual DIGIC V processors are going to be used in some cameras. That initially seemed wasteful to me, but perhaps less so than producing higher-frequency or dedicated multicore style units for higher end cameras (which would be wasteful on cheaper, crippled cameras with cores or frequency locked out or lowered, though lower camera designs might still allow use of DIGIC IV). Here, however, there is no explicit mention of how many processors there are, let alone the DIGIC V's internal design, though it seems most likely that just one is meant (as the 7D spec sheets don't simply say "DIGIC IV," but rather "dual DIGIC IV").
I am thinking that the chip could be a new Sony design...we'll know later. If it's Canon's own design, they are in a good position. If not...
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Yes, but then one should hope for 11 fps, or 12 fps, or something higher, of course - the data throughput of the system, dictated in large part by the need to pull the full 32mp of data repeatedly, is going to be the limiting factor here, not marketing / usefulness / wishes.Gcon said:
I recall somebody stating (not sure if a quote of a made-up source) a 240MB/sec throughput figure for DIGIC V, perhaps per chip, which doesn't fit squarely with either 9.1 or 10 fps and this sensor size. There may be some other part of the pipeline throttling that transfer rate.
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It looks like a fabrication by someone who never owned or used a 1 series camera and could not recognize when he put in geatures that are already better in the 1 series bodies.
Its not remotely believable.
Its not remotely believable.
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Sounds like the typical incremental top up of the previous 1-generation with more emphasis on fast fps video - not illogical from business point-of-view. May be this is not a 1D-series spec but a 2,3,4 or whatever D (the weight factor precludes a 5)
Don't expect your 2011 wishes to be fulfilled in 2011/12, guys. Let's leave some dreams for our kids as well.
Don't expect your 2011 wishes to be fulfilled in 2011/12, guys. Let's leave some dreams for our kids as well.
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dilbert said:Mt Spokane Photography said:EOS 5D Mark III said:
Actually, most of our readers could do better
Question is, why would any of the readers come up with 9.1fps or 120fps video?
Or present them in that fashion?
There are nuances with the information, its presentation and timing that suggest that it isn't a work of fiction to me.
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sandro said:dilbert said:Mt Spokane Photography said:EOS 5D Mark III said:
Actually, most of our readers could do better
Question is, why would any of the readers come up with 9.1fps or 120fps video?
Or present them in that fashion?
There are nuances with the information, its presentation and timing that suggest that it isn't a work of fiction to me.
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LOL ... exactly... "There are nuances with the information" ... best response yet!
I wondered why anyone would waste their time making up rumors. With the way some people swallow it up, it's better entertainment than the comedy on TV.
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Etienne said:sandro said:dilbert said:Mt Spokane Photography said:EOS 5D Mark III said:
Actually, most of our readers could do better
Question is, why would any of the readers come up with 9.1fps or 120fps video?
Or present them in that fashion?
There are nuances with the information, its presentation and timing that suggest that it isn't a work of fiction to me.
To laugh at us commenting
LOL ... exactly... "There are nuances with the information" ... best response yet!
I wondered why anyone would waste their time making up rumors. With the way some people swallow it up, it's better entertainment than the comedy on TV.
Or read them?
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Q. What's worse than someone who wasted a serious amount of time coming up with a fabricated 1D spec. list?
A. The people on this forum that over analyzed it, and wasted far more time than the original perpetrator.
So I suppose if it is a hoax, he got his intended reaction.
A. The people on this forum that over analyzed it, and wasted far more time than the original perpetrator.
So I suppose if it is a hoax, he got his intended reaction.
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Same thing happened with the 5D MK I, the bottom dropped out of prices for a few months before the 5D MK II and then they recovered.
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