Adorama is Taking Pre-Orders for EOS 6D

[hmmm]

Maybe this will turn out to be better than we think. There may be a reason Adorama decided to sell 818 5D mkIII bodies at $2750 on ebay yesterday. Coincidence? ...we'll know soon enough...

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

It appears that adding an "early adopting fee" (EAF) is part of Caon's selling strategy nowadays.

In case you haven't noticed, its been the same way for similar products for maybe the last 100 years.
New Car models start out high and drop after the initial rush, TV sets, Iphones, its the standard way of doing business around the world. any product that tends to have technology that is periodically upgraded in a few years drops in price over time.

I totally agree with you on this but in this instance, I think it's more than the usual amount that's normal. A 20% drop in less than six months is quite a bit more than the usual especially for something that won't get replaced again for the next 3 years. I don't really have a problem with it as I would assume this extra can go back into building better products and since I don't buy camera equipment when it first comes out it doesn't affect me so it's all good. I guess my biggest complaint is all the moaning and complaining it causes in forums like this otherwise I'm fine with it.

What has dropped in price 20%? A all new cheaper construction 6D model that is a budget camera? The MSRP of the 5D MK III hasn't dropped.
I do agree that spot prices are plummeting due to the world economy and flagging sales.
I'd bet that there will be bargains this Christmas, unless manufacturers slow production way down.

 

[brianleighty]

What has dropped in price 20%? A all new cheaper construction 6D model that is a budget camera? The MSRP of the 5D MK III hasn't dropped.
I do agree that spot prices are plummeting due to the world economy and flagging sales.
I'd bet that there will be bargains this Christmas, unless manufacturers slow production way down.

Not going based off of MSRP, going based off of what you can buy it for. When it launched the 5d Mark iii was $3500. Just yesterday you could get it for $2750 from Adorama. $750 less divided $3500 equals 21.4% drop.

 

[dr croubie]

The strategy has worked very well for 5D3 because two many people were waiting for and wanting it.

Might be different with a winter release of the 6d, more people on the northern hemisphere could be willing to wait a few month instead of paying the "eaf". Don't know about down under, though :->

Yeah, but don't forget, we're up the DUF here (as in: Down Under Fee).
I'm not expecting it to come under $2500 in a shop here.

That said, I'm not buying one. Too much money invested in Canon glass, don't need an FF *that* much (eos 3 and 6x6 film will keep me interested for a while). If I was in the market, and didn't have to sell a whole bunch of glass, the D600 looks a lot better.

Even if i were in the market and sticking with canon, between a decently used 5D2 plus 24-105 for the same price as a 6D body (considering the main specs, MP, fps, AFpts, are about all the same), i'd be picking the 5D2+24-105 any day.

I'm sitting this round out. See you when the 5D4 and 6D2 come out, and hopefully pique my interest a bit more.

 

[DzPhotography]

Meh, it'll probably get officially announced tomorrow anyway, and then everybody will start to take pre-orders :

 

[dtaylor]

I think the difference is Nikon is trying to gain market share where as Canon feels comfortable with maintaining their current market.

Exactly. Nikon is hungry, and Canon is comfortable. And that sucks for Canon users.

There shouldn't be a 6D. The 5D3 should undercut the D600. And there should be a 45 MP something-D that undercuts the D800. Canon is behind on sensors. Not as much as fanboys like to claim while drooling over DxO specs. But they are behind right now. Their features and prices need to be better then the competition's.

And don't tell me there's a technical reason why the 5D3 is priced so high. There is not. Canon wants to use decent AF to extort money from their users. Nikon no longer plays this silly little game. I doubt there's any real difference in the manufacturing cost of an 11 point AF sensor or a 63 point one. As far as ICs go, these are the simplest ones in the camera to manufacture.

For most of the 2000's Canon had the better sensors, features, and prices. Some of Canon's early releases put Nikon to shame in their respective market segments. That's how Canon ended up on top. Now it seems they don't care to stay there.

Will I switch? I don't know. This rotten economy has me steering away from photography purchases for a while. (Thanks Obama and Bernanke you freaking morons.) But if I was ready to buy FF today, it would be the D800. If this situation persists when I finally am looking at new DSLRs again...it might be Nikon or Sony.

 

[brianleighty]

The 5D3 should be cheaper than the D600? That's a bit ridiculous don't you think? And who exactly are they behind? Nikon isn't even making the sensors Sony is, so.... who exactly is Canon behind again? Why doesn't everybody say I'm gonna go buy the Sony XXXX then? I think the D800 and similar cameras are good for us as Canon owners as it forces Canon to give us better and/or cheaper products, that's the beauty of a free market with competition, but outside of the sensor what is the 800D really better at than the 5D III?

 

[SwampYankee]

Maybe this will turn out to be better than we think. There may be a reason Adorama decided to sell 818 5D mkIII bodies at $2750 on ebay yesterday. Coincidence? ...we'll know soon enough...

Is this true? I look at price watch every day and didn't see this. Any left? How can I make sure I don't miss this again?

 

[dr croubie]

Why doesn't everybody say I'm gonna go buy the Sony XXXX then?

Well, i'm not going to say it. I'm not buying Sony or Nikon, i'f got too much money in EF glass. Starting from scratch, i'd be getting a D600, hands down no contest.

But neither am I buying a 5D3 (too expensive, even with the drop), nor am I buying a 6D (too underwhelming, I'd rather get a 5D2 and a nice lens for that price).

I'm sure i'm not alone when I say i'm just going to sit and wait. Or maybe pick up a 5Dc or 1Ds2, even a $1000 5D2 if i manage to score a very rare deal. But $2000, no.

 

[hmmm]

Maybe this will turn out to be better than we think. There may be a reason Adorama decided to sell 818 5D mkIII bodies at $2750 on ebay yesterday. Coincidence? ...we'll know soon enough...

Is this true? I look at price watch every day and didn't see this. Any left? How can I make sure I don't miss this again?

Yes, it is true. It was on CanonPriceWatch yesterday on their home page in the Latest Hot Deals section. Or you can navigate to the dslr section and look under other deals. It was an ebay-only deal, but the vendor was Adorama and included USA warranty. I followed the auction until it closed out with 818 sales (not views, sales). Rather remarkable.

 

[dtaylor]

The 5D3 should be cheaper than the D600? That's a bit ridiculous don't you think?

Nope. In terms of sensor IQ that is where it sits. It is simply not a competitor to the D800. At the same price or slightly less then the D700 it is spec'd well and would be a very solid competitor.

And who exactly are they behind? Nikon isn't even making the sensors Sony is, so.... who exactly is Canon behind again?

Canon is behind Sony. Since Nikon uses Sony sensors, Canon is also behind Nikon.

Why doesn't everybody say I'm gonna go buy the Sony XXXX then?

Because Nikon has the better lens collection vs. Sony. And because Sony keeps playing with technologies that aren't ready for prime time yet. For example, I would never consider Sony's FF body because of the EVF.

I think the D800 and similar cameras are good for us as Canon owners as it forces Canon to give us better and/or cheaper products, that's the beauty of a free market with competition, but outside of the sensor what is the 800D really better at than the 5D III?

It doesn't need to be better at anything else. It's spec'd about the same on everything else, and the sensor is a significant step above Canon's.

Put simply the competition is differentiating their high end bodies on resolution and shooting speed, which makes sense. The 1Dx is fine for its market segment, but Canon is trying to differentiate the 5D3 based on nothing more than AF. The D800 has comparable AF and a better sensor. The D600 has slightly worse AF and a better sensor. What makes Canon think the 5D3 should be positioned against the D800?

If Canon did what I said above, then the 5D3 would be priced against the D600 and there would be a high resolution body priced against the D800. Canon can't deliver the noise and DR that Sony can right now. But they could scale their APS-C sensor to 45 MP FF. It would have more noise and less DR then the D800, but also more fine detail, and if it was otherwise spec'd and priced to match it would be a wash. Lots of people jumping ship for the D800 would stick around for such a Canon body.

But that body doesn't exist, and Canon expects us to pay the same price just to get decent AF. Ridiculous.

 

[Noink Fanb0i]

Well, to be fair, crApple has played the same Canon game ("pay more for less") and it hasn't stopped the bandwagoneering, carpetbagging stock market analysts to continue to pump&dump their shares in anticipation of blockbuster sales numbers. Unfortunately for Canon, the consumers in this gadget segment aren't as tech-ignorant.

 

[DianeK]

Well, to be fair, crApple has played the same Canon game ("pay more for less") and it hasn't stopped the bandwagoneering, carpetbagging stock market analysts to continue to pump&dump their shares in anticipation of blockbuster sales numbers. Unfortunately for Canon, the consumers in this gadget segment aren't as tech-ignorant.

Yes, the similarities between Canon and Apple are not lost on me either. I equate the beauty of Mac machines with the beauty of L lens, and unfortunately both companies seem to have developed an unwarranted sense of infallability. And doubly unfortunate I happen to be both a Mac and Canon user .

 

[dr croubie]

hehehe, looks like ebay sellers have also jumped on the bandwagon...

 

[Albi86]

Well, to be fair, crApple has played the same Canon game ("pay more for less") and it hasn't stopped the bandwagoneering, carpetbagging stock market analysts to continue to pump&dump their shares in anticipation of blockbuster sales numbers. Unfortunately for Canon, the consumers in this gadget segment aren't as tech-ignorant.

The problem is that Apple products are everyday tools that might make you look cool in everyday life. High-end cameras are addressed to people who have higher expectations in terms of output, and showing off only works with people knowing what an L lens is.