Advice 5d3, wide angle

[AudioGlenn]

I'm in a similar predicament. I just bought the 5d Mark III and 24-70 2.8 II. (Arriving on Monday...damn UPS was supposed to deliver today but was late).

Anyways, I have a 60D and the 10-22mm... I love using it at 10mm. If I sell the 60D+grip and accessories, and the 10-22 on craigslist, I can probably get about $1500 and buy the 16-35 2.8 II.

My questions is:

Is it worth selling my current gear?

OR

Do you guys think I should keep the 60D, not bother with the hassle of trying to sell gear, and have a backup body/2nd camera angle when I do video work.

 

[Random Orbits]

I'm in a similar predicament. I just bought the 5d Mark III and 24-70 2.8 II. (Arriving on Monday...damn UPS was supposed to deliver today but was late).

Anyways, I have a 60D and the 10-22mm... I love using it at 10mm. If I sell the 60D+grip and accessories, and the 10-22 on craigslist, I can probably get about $1500 and buy the 16-35 2.8 II.

My questions is:

Is it worth selling my current gear?

OR

Do you guys think I should keep the 60D, not bother with the hassle of trying to sell gear, and have a backup body/2nd camera angle when I do video work.

I would wait until you've had a chance to try out the 24-70 II on the 5D III before making that decision. The 16-35 II is versatile like the 10-22 on a crop camera, but it will lose to the 24-70 II. For you, it might make more sense to get a UWA prime to complement the 24-70 II rather than getting the 16-35 II.

 

[RC]

I'm in a similar predicament. I just bought the 5d Mark III and 24-70 2.8 II. (Arriving on Monday...damn UPS was supposed to deliver today but was late).

Anyways, I have a 60D and the 10-22mm... I love using it at 10mm. If I sell the 60D+grip and accessories, and the 10-22 on craigslist, I can probably get about $1500 and buy the 16-35 2.8 II.

My questions is:

Is it worth selling my current gear?

OR

Do you guys think I should keep the 60D, not bother with the hassle of trying to sell gear, and have a backup body/2nd camera angle when I do video work.

Tough call and only you can answer. When I got my 5D3 I kept my 7D because 1) it was worth much more to me than what I could get off CL or ebay, 2) I did not want to lose a high FPS and extra reach body and 3) having a second/backup body with same ergo and battery as my 5D3 seemed practical and functional. Besides I knew I would always regret selling it--I love my 7D.

I did not have any EF-S lens and I already had a 16-35 II so I wasn't motivated to sell any gear. So is a 16-35 a good trade off for your crop gear? I certainly think so but of course only you will know. Either way I would sell your 10-22.

 

[Promature]

I'm in a similar predicament. I just bought the 5d Mark III and 24-70 2.8 II. (Arriving on Monday...damn UPS was supposed to deliver today but was late).

Anyways, I have a 60D and the 10-22mm... I love using it at 10mm. If I sell the 60D+grip and accessories, and the 10-22 on craigslist, I can probably get about $1500 and buy the 16-35 2.8 II.

My questions is:

Is it worth selling my current gear?

OR

Do you guys think I should keep the 60D, not bother with the hassle of trying to sell gear, and have a backup body/2nd camera angle when I do video work.

I've been using Amazon to sell any old gear I had (sold kit lens, EF 28 f1.8, and 70-200 f4) was sold in less than two days, and more than what I paid for them on the Canon Refurbished site (the 28mm and 70-200 that is). Just make sure you have the lowest price and it will sell quick, I promise.

 

[Hobby Shooter]

I'm in a similar predicament. I just bought the 5d Mark III and 24-70 2.8 II. (Arriving on Monday...damn UPS was supposed to deliver today but was late).

Anyways, I have a 60D and the 10-22mm... I love using it at 10mm. If I sell the 60D+grip and accessories, and the 10-22 on craigslist, I can probably get about $1500 and buy the 16-35 2.8 II.

My questions is:

Is it worth selling my current gear?

OR

Do you guys think I should keep the 60D, not bother with the hassle of trying to sell gear, and have a backup body/2nd camera angle when I do video work.

I regret almost every day that I sold my 60D when I bought my 5D3. But it was a financial trade off I had to do in order for my wife to agree to th purchase.

 

[AudioGlenn]

I'm in a similar predicament. I just bought the 5d Mark III and 24-70 2.8 II. (Arriving on Monday...damn UPS was supposed to deliver today but was late).

Anyways, I have a 60D and the 10-22mm... I love using it at 10mm. If I sell the 60D+grip and accessories, and the 10-22 on craigslist, I can probably get about $1500 and buy the 16-35 2.8 II.

My questions is:

Is it worth selling my current gear?

OR

Do you guys think I should keep the 60D, not bother with the hassle of trying to sell gear, and have a backup body/2nd camera angle when I do video work.

I would wait until you've had a chance to try out the 24-70 II on the 5D III before making that decision. The 16-35 II is versatile like the 10-22 on a crop camera, but it will lose to the 24-70 II. For you, it might make more sense to get a UWA prime to complement the 24-70 II rather than getting the 16-35 II.

I was considering the 14mm f/2.8L or the TS-E 17mm for their sharpness. You're right about waiting a little though. I have enough work on my hands in the upcoming months learning the new gear. I do know that I want an UWA eventually

 

[Canon 14-24]

I would sell the 60d unless you really value the articulating screen or do macro work.

I use a similar 5d3 setup with the 24-70 II and sold my 16-35 II for the 17mm ts-e instead.

 

[sagittariansrock]

+1 for the Tokina. It is a very nice lens, and I'd definitely consider it if I move to FF.
The bulging front element is a worry, tho'

+1 for not liking my 17-40 as well. Colors and sharpness mainly- the 17-85 I had was better (it was really good, actually). I was mostly using it on a crop, but I did notice marked vignetting on the 5DII.

 

[Cfunkexplosion]

I'm in the same situation. I recently moved to a 5D3, so I sold my Tokina 11-16. Really liked that lens. I'm probably going to sell my 24-105, which doesn't see much use since I got the 35L/85L combo. I think at this point I'm probably going to go with the Tokina 16-28, given how much I liked the crop version. The other thing I might do is just wait and save up for a 14L. Need to do some more research about that one, great shots in this thread, though.

 

[syder]

I would have bought the Tokina 16-28 if it wasn't for the front element.

As someone whose paid work is mainly video I need to be able to attach things like variable ND filters. The tokina would require a rig + mattebox + a set of 4x4 ND filters which isn't what I want to use for a lot of gigs where mobility is paramount

 

[Random Orbits]

I was considering the 14mm f/2.8L or the TS-E 17mm for their sharpness. You're right about waiting a little though. I have enough work on my hands in the upcoming months learning the new gear. I do know that I want an UWA eventually

Yes, lol, the choice between a AF and manual perspective control. Can't go wrong with either choice. It really comes down to how much you do NOT like shooting manually. The TS-E definitely gives some additional creative possibilities!

 

[AudioGlenn]

There is absolutely zero comparison between the 14 and the 17TS-E, they are so different anybody not sure which they need doesn't need either, seriously.

The 14mm is severely compromised in IQ, but gives amazing fov and very good AF and yes you do need to focus a 14mm. It really shines for things like skateboarding, snowboarding, and other moving and dynamic subjects.

The 17 is a very different tool for a very different job, it can be shift stitched to give the fov of an 11mm lens with a close to 50mp sensored image, it has the independently configurable tilt and shift so can be used well for interiors, architecture and landscapes, in landscape format but also in portrait format. It has practically no compromises in image quality but it is a pain in the butt to use with filters, probably the biggest drawback of the lens (plus the stupidly big gearing on the tilt movement).

They are both very good lenses with tons of creative possibilities but anybody wishing to choose between the two as a next purchase that doesn't know what they need, would be very well advised to rent both at the same time for a long weekend, one will live on your camera, buy that one.

whoah...slow down there guy. obviously, I'm not sure what I need at this point. take a deep breathe.

Yes, I like UWA angle shots. I actually like the distortion of an ultra wide angle. I'm curious about the the TS-E and it's flexibility and sharpness. I like having AF so the 16-35 and 14mm prime are candidates as well. We're looking at $2k give or take a few hundred dollars. After my latest purchases, I won't be buying anything for a while (unless I can find a way to buy my wife another Louis Vuitton AND get her to agree on another lens purchase! hahaha)

I agree I should probably go and rent/borrow. Heck, I might want the 8-15 fisheye! I really don't know.... hence my inquiry under the forum topic "Advice 5D3, wide angle".

 

[verysimplejason]

There is absolutely zero comparison between the 14 and the 17TS-E, they are so different anybody not sure which they need doesn't need either, seriously.

The 14mm is severely compromised in IQ, but gives amazing fov and very good AF and yes you do need to focus a 14mm. It really shines for things like skateboarding, snowboarding, and other moving and dynamic subjects.

The 17 is a very different tool for a very different job, it can be shift stitched to give the fov of an 11mm lens with a close to 50mp sensored image, it has the independently configurable tilt and shift so can be used well for interiors, architecture and landscapes, in landscape format but also in portrait format. It has practically no compromises in image quality but it is a pain in the butt to use with filters, probably the biggest drawback of the lens (plus the stupidly big gearing on the tilt movement).

They are both very good lenses with tons of creative possibilities but anybody wishing to choose between the two as a next purchase that doesn't know what they need, would be very well advised to rent both at the same time for a long weekend, one will live on your camera, buy that one.

whoah...slow down there guy. obviously, I'm not sure what I need at this point. take a deep breathe.

Yes, I like UWA angle shots. I actually like the distortion of an ultra wide angle. I'm curious about the the TS-E and it's flexibility and sharpness. I like having AF so the 16-35 and 14mm prime are candidates as well. We're looking at $2k give or take a few hundred dollars. After my latest purchases, I won't be buying anything for a while (unless I can find a way to buy my wife another Louis Vuitton AND get her to agree on another lens purchase! hahaha)

I agree I should probably go and rent/borrow. Heck, I might want the 8-15 fisheye! I really don't know.... hence my inquiry under the forum topic "Advice 5D3, wide angle".

LOL. I laughed hard at the part when you have to get your wife a LV bag so you can get another lens. It's virtually the same for me. ;D

 

[ishdakuteb]

for me, i prefer both crop and full frame, that is the reason why i am still keeping my 7d after buying 5d iii... not sure about you. as if i would have to sell in order to have some cash to assist for new purchase, i would first sell your 10-22mm

my 2 cents

 

[AudioGlenn]

whoah...slow down there guy. obviously, I'm not sure what I need at this point. take a deep breathe.

Yes, I like UWA angle shots. I actually like the distortion of an ultra wide angle. I'm curious about the the TS-E and it's flexibility and sharpness. I like having AF so the 16-35 and 14mm prime are candidates as well. We're looking at $2k give or take a few hundred dollars. After my latest purchases, I won't be buying anything for a while (unless I can find a way to buy my wife another Louis Vuitton AND get her to agree on another lens purchase! hahaha)

I agree I should probably go and rent/borrow. Heck, I might want the 8-15 fisheye! I really don't know.... hence my inquiry under the forum topic "Advice 5D3, wide angle".

I wasn't being negative or trying to stifle your thought process, I was just trying to point out that despite the similarity in focal lengths there are quantum differences between the lenses strong points, few peoples style will embrace both lenses so a bit of inward thought might save you from some very expensive disappointment. I really was trying to help.

On the subject of fisheyes, I have the older Canon 15mm (and FF bodies) and it gives very similar results to the rectilinear 14mm with regards IQ when it is defished with software. The build quality and focus speed are not on a par with the 14mm but it does work very well, I would have thought the 8-15 with an eye to using defishing software on occasions really does make a very flexible package, from my personal experience I would recommend the zoom fisheye over the 14mm almost every time.

my bad. your points are valid and very much appreciated.

how does one de-fish? is a separate plug in needed? ( I use Aperture). Is it built into Lightroom?

 

[AudioGlenn]

There is absolutely zero comparison between the 14 and the 17TS-E, they are so different anybody not sure which they need doesn't need either, seriously.

The 14mm is severely compromised in IQ, but gives amazing fov and very good AF and yes you do need to focus a 14mm. It really shines for things like skateboarding, snowboarding, and other moving and dynamic subjects.

The 17 is a very different tool for a very different job, it can be shift stitched to give the fov of an 11mm lens with a close to 50mp sensored image, it has the independently configurable tilt and shift so can be used well for interiors, architecture and landscapes, in landscape format but also in portrait format. It has practically no compromises in image quality but it is a pain in the butt to use with filters, probably the biggest drawback of the lens (plus the stupidly big gearing on the tilt movement).

They are both very good lenses with tons of creative possibilities but anybody wishing to choose between the two as a next purchase that doesn't know what they need, would be very well advised to rent both at the same time for a long weekend, one will live on your camera, buy that one.

whoah...slow down there guy. obviously, I'm not sure what I need at this point. take a deep breathe.

Yes, I like UWA angle shots. I actually like the distortion of an ultra wide angle. I'm curious about the the TS-E and it's flexibility and sharpness. I like having AF so the 16-35 and 14mm prime are candidates as well. We're looking at $2k give or take a few hundred dollars. After my latest purchases, I won't be buying anything for a while (unless I can find a way to buy my wife another Louis Vuitton AND get her to agree on another lens purchase! hahaha)

I agree I should probably go and rent/borrow. Heck, I might want the 8-15 fisheye! I really don't know.... hence my inquiry under the forum topic "Advice 5D3, wide angle".

LOL. I laughed hard at the part when you have to get your wife a LV bag so you can get another lens. It's virtually the same for me. ;D

Haha. I knew I wasn't the only one who had to run these types/size of purchases through the "boss"!

 

[@!ex]

my bad. your points are valid and very much appreciated.

how does one de-fish? is a separate plug in needed? ( I use Aperture). Is it built into Lightroom?

There are many different software options and they all remap your image differently. My most used one is Image Trends Fisheye Hemi, very basic control but it remaps the edges particularly well especially when there are people towards the edge of the frame, they have an Aperture Plugin too. Lightroom does a good job sometimes, but crops heavily, DxO Optics has a very good tool but I hate their software, Hugin and PTLens are others. I used to use a very badly interfaced program that was so powerful you could remap the canvas to the pixel dimensions you wanted but OS support for that went a long time ago so I had forgotten it.

Give them a try, you will be amazed at how flexible a fisheye can be. This might be of interest http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/lenses/canon_ef8-15f4l.html

Hope it all helps.

******.

Now I need the 8-15. You bastard.

 

[@!ex]

******.

Now I need the 8-15. You bastard.

Always glad to help

I actually have the 17TS-E for high end real estate interiors, but if I know the image is only a filler and not a brochure leading headliner then I will often shoot the 15mm and de-fish. But don't tell anybody, it is my secret!!

Once it is defished, what is the resolution (pixel x pixel)? Do you by chance have a full res shot you could link to, for science? Thanks in advance.

 

[BrianPowell]

in six page of replies has anyone asked the OP what he shoots??
Budget is a consideration, but what do you shoot the most?

I think a lot of shooters have owned either the 17-40 or the 16-35, but not both... so there is some bias in those recommendations

I shoot mostly weddings, but some other portraits and events, etc. I've had the 16-35mm v2 on my 5D (2 and 3) for a long time, and shoot mostly weddings. Most of my all time fave images were at the 16 end of that lens! see http://www.brianpowell.info for examples.

There is a difference from 16-17mm, and it is noticeable. Also, if you want to shoot under f5.6 or so, your IQ will in fact be better on the 16-35. I love it and shoot all over the range, depending on the ambient light. It's a perfect length for weddings because 16 is dramatically wide on a FF (pulling in sky on outdoor shots) and at 35mm I can take full length portraits or group shots. For journalistic coverage (dance floor, prep shots, etc.) I'm usually pretty wide. It's on the remote camera in the balcony for the ceremony. It does it all! When I travel, it's my landscape lens.

I've owned the 24-105 f4, and the new 24mm TS-E for a while. The only other wide angle I'd want, and it's on my wish list, is the 14mm rectilinear Looks superb.

So what do you shoot?

 

[Marsu42]

I am happy to post full res files but need a suggestion on where to do it.

I'd be interested in the quality loss to - upload full size jpeg to minus.com or abload.de if you happen to speak German, then you can link directly to it. If you want to share the raw files use any sharehoster like rapidshare or one of the trillions of clones.