All is Quiet, but the Good Stuff is Coming

[countofmc95]

I had a 6D and SL1 combo as my only camera gear way back in 2013. I had a foray into mirrorless and right now am using Nikon, but honestly I think that initial combo of Canon gear was always the way to go. I'm hoping the Mark II versions of both are pretty good, and I think I'll jump back into Canon.

 

[PhotographerJim]

I literally have a stack of cash waiting for the 85mm f/1.4L IS. Seriously Canon, take my money...

Same here. If it's anything like the new 35mm, I'll be preordering it for sure!

 

[vangelismm]

No one complain about 50mm IS, yet?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Wait, 6D2 now announced before September? When is it going to be available? I just put my 6D up for sale in anticipation of this camera arriving in the next month or so.

"You're killing me Smalls!"

Never sell your gear based on rumors. If you had done that with the 100-400mm L II, you would have been waiting 10 years. Even if a rumor is correct about a new model, there are many things that can delay new models. Earthquakes have shut down new models more than once in recent years, flooding in Thailand played havoc with Nikon cameras and lenses.

Don't even think about selling due to a rumor.

 

[unfocused]

... both had CFast cards for 4K recording. One month later I read an article that CFast cards are dumped: http://resourcemagonline.com/2016/10/the-cfast-vs-xqd-battle-is-already-over-stop-buying-cfast/68002/ Oh, Canon...

Based on this article, the best-selling high-speed card is already doomed, just as Canon has been doomed for many years ... But a new card format that does not yet exist in any camera, would already have won the war.

After all, Sony is a world leader in cameras and lenses, just as Betamax won the market just for him, right? ???

ajfotofilmagem, you pretty much too the words out of my mouth. The quoted article (now seven months old) is pure speculation that declares one format a winner based solely on what the author considers better technology. But, better technology is seldom the deciding factor in the marketplace.

I looked at that article and what struck me was that three major video camera makers in the professional market – Canon, ARRI and BlackMagic – all chose CFast. Market share almost always trumps technology, so I wouldn't bet on CFast going away any time soon.

 

[Chaitanya]

I read an article that CFast cards are dumped: http://resourcemagonline.com/2016/10/the-cfast-vs-xqd-battle-is-already-over-stop-buying-cfast/68002/ Oh, Canon...

The CF cards standards mirror the main disk technology available on computers (CF - IDE, CFast - SATA, CFExpress - NVMe), which greatly simplify interoperability, you don't need specific drivers to support a different protocol (which also makes car reader simpler, less expensive, and well supported).

Remember that CF cards, like SD, are not used only in (video)cameras, there are a lot of devices that use them, and especially boot from them (something camera don't), thereby a standard, broadly supported protocol by any OS is welcome.

XQD looks to be more a "camera only format" - let's see if it will survive or not, and if a niche market, what the prices will be.

Camera market is just small fraction of CFast market, they are used a lot in industrial PCs as it uses Sata interface and its compatibility with other OS is great compared to proprietary XQD.

 

[Luds34]

Wait, 6D2 now announced before September? When is it going to be available? I just put my 6D up for sale in anticipation of this camera arriving in the next month or so.

"You're killing me Smalls!"

Never sell your gear based on rumors. If you had done that with the 100-400mm L II, you would have been waiting 10 years. Even if a rumor is correct about a new model, there are many things that can delay new models. Earthquakes have shut down new models more than once in recent years, flooding in Thailand played havoc with Nikon cameras and lenses.

Don't even think about selling due to a rumor.

Fair enough, and I agree... especially with lenses. With camera bodies... it's a bit different.

One, the 6D is going to lose a ton of value on the secondary market once the 6D2 is announced. One, because the next new big thing is out, but more so, because I think we'll see plenty of 6D owners putting their cameras up for sale and flooding the market.

Two, camera models NEED to be refreshed from time to time as the tech just keeps changing so fast. Not so much with lenses, aka 85mm f/1.8 or 70-200 f/2.8L (non IS) being from (guessing a bit here) 93ish and 95ish respectively? Aka both over 20 years old and still "current" models. While the 6D...? 5 years now almost?

In short I'm playing with a fire a bit, I agree... just trying to preserve some resale value though while I still can.

My joke is worse case I guess I pick up a 5D4.

 

[Mac Duderson]

8) 28mm f1.2L IS BlueGoo ;D ;D ;D
You know it can be done

 

[Ryananthony]

Wait, 6D2 now announced before September? When is it going to be available? I just put my 6D up for sale in anticipation of this camera arriving in the next month or so.

"You're killing me Smalls!"

Never sell your gear based on rumors. If you had done that with the 100-400mm L II, you would have been waiting 10 years. Even if a rumor is correct about a new model, there are many things that can delay new models. Earthquakes have shut down new models more than once in recent years, flooding in Thailand played havoc with Nikon cameras and lenses.

Don't even think about selling due to a rumor.

Fair enough, and I agree... especially with lenses. With camera bodies... it's a bit different.

One, the 6D is going to lose a ton of value on the secondary market once the 6D2 is announced. One, because the next new big thing is out, but more so, because I think we'll see plenty of 6D owners putting their cameras up for sale and flooding the market.

Two, camera models NEED to be refreshed from time to time as the tech just keeps changing so fast. Not so much with lenses, aka 85mm f/1.8 or 70-200 f/2.8L (non IS) being from (guessing a bit here) 93ish and 95ish respectively? Aka both over 20 years old and still "current" models. While the 6D...? 5 years now almost?

In short I'm playing with a fire a bit, I agree... just trying to preserve some resale value though while I still can.

My joke is worse case I guess I pick up a 5D4.

I thought the same when it came to selling my 5d3 when the 5div was rumored. I held off, and actually still own my 5d3. I can still currently sell it for a the same price I would have before the 5div was announced. With that said, location plays a big part. I live in a big city with a huge market for both buying and selling camera gear.

 

[scrup]

Those waiting for a 6D2 will be disappointed. Get the 5D4 or just jump ship to Sony. Why wait for a let down.

 

[Woody]

Those waiting for a 6D2 will be disappointed. Get the 5D4 or just jump ship to Sony. Why wait for a let down.

My only wish for 6D2 is that it'll be as lightweight as the 77D.

If it's another minor update, I won't stray from the Canon camp, but may give up on FF altogether.

 

[scrup]

Those waiting for a 6D2 will be disappointed. Get the 5D4 or just jump ship to Sony. Why wait for a let down.

My only wish for 6D2 is that it'll be as lightweight as the 77D.

If it's another minor update, I won't stray from the Canon camp, but may give up on FF altogether.

Tough ask for Canon to make a 6D much lighter, possible but it be probably be called another name.

SL1 upgrade and the full frame equivalent would be nice additions.

6D2 would be like 5D3 with 4k, slower framerate and lower build quality.

 

[ahsanford]

No one complain about 50mm IS, yet?

I am holding my tongue as it's clear that wherever the 50mm f/nooneknows IS USM is in the new product pipeline, it's clearly behind the 6D2, 85 f/1.4L IS, etc.

So let's get those released so we can start talking about 50mm lenses.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Those waiting for a 6D2 will be disappointed. Get the 5D4 or just jump ship to Sony. Why wait for a let down.

Because it will cost more than $1000 less and come with a tilty-flippy screen (and possibly interchangeable focusing screens). No amount of the 'joy of having it now' with a 5D4 will put a tilty-flippy on it or give you manual focusing screens if that's what you've been waiting for.

Those are good reasons to wait for a lot of folks here -- and I'm a 5D owner saying that!

- A

 

[xps]

Interestingly, other rumor pages - whose name is ***** .**** here - rumor, that there will be NO 6DII, but an MLS coming.

 

[ahsanford]

Interestingly, other rumor pages - whose name is ***** .**** here - rumor, that there will be NO 6DII, but an MLS coming.

Those sites are 99% likely wrong. All conventional wisdom says a 6D2 with a mirror and all is a 'this year' product.

FF mirrorless is certainly on the horizon for Canon, but surely it will not be within +/- 3 months of the 6D2 announcement. Canon prefers to give its FF launches an exclusive spotlight for a period of time.

- A

 

[xps]

Interestingly, other rumor pages - whose name is ***** .**** here - rumor, that there will be NO 6DII, but an MLS coming.

Those sites are 99% likely wrong. All conventional wisdom says a 6D2 with a mirror and all is a 'this year' product.

FF mirrorless is certainly on the horizon for Canon, but surely it will not be within +/- 3 months of the 6D2 announcement. Canon prefers to give its FF launches an exclusive spotlight for a period of time.

- A

I hope so, as I need another body... And the 6DII will be the one...

 

[tbrand]

Fingers crossed my 1DX II get C-Log to "keep up" with the 5D Mark IV.

 

[CanonCams]

Interestingly, other rumor pages - whose name is ***** .**** here - rumor, that there will be NO 6DII, but an MLS coming.

Yeah, I saw that and cringed. lol

 

[LDS]

Or exist in only very compact cameras in CFExpress does not fit. Personally I think that we could perhaps move away from cards all together and put a tray with a slot for a M.2 drive in the camera.

In some ways, CFExpress looks to be exactly that - but designed with the need of removable storage in mind (M.2 is mostly designed for fixed internal storage, although it can easily be replaced when needed). M.2 uses NVMe as the interface protocol as well. It looks CFExpress will allow to use up to 8 PCIe lanes (M.2 uses only four), and there will be different form factors depending on how many lanes are used - it looks it will start with two, using a package the same size of XQD, and using the same physical interface (it's not clear if XQD cards will work in a CFExpress device):

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170418005189/en/CompactFlash-Association-Announces-CFexpress*-1.0-Specification

http://www.compactflash.org/assets/docs/cfapress/cfexpress_family_pr_160907.pdf

Basically, CFExpress looks to be based on XQD - but adding protocols that became standard for SSD devices like NVMe, to ensure broad support and interoperability, and designed to add more features in the future.

In the same articles you'll see both Canon and Nikon are behind the standard, and because of that I'm quite sure it's XQD to be doomed - maybe like MiniDisc <G>

Being Canon in the CFA body, they knew where standards were going, and I guess they weren't in a hurry to use XQD when CFExpress was arriving - as long as the older standards were enough, and have more OEM making cards, why adopt another one which was going to be superseded?