Am I the only one excited about the new 7D mk2?

[wickidwombat]

So its no great secret i'm not the worlds biggest fan of crop sensors...

but the EOS-M is a great little camera to support my 5Dmk3 for various things and means no lens changing

so looking at the specs of the 7D2 I am actually pretty excited about this
well not excited enough to buy it bleeding edge but say in a year or so when prices drop and bargains are around or sales i am definately interested in picking one up to use on my tamron 150-600

I have pretty high expectations for the new AF system given how great the 5Dmk3 and 1DX AF systems are

but all I read are posts about people crying that its not what they wanted.

so anyone else excited about the potential for this new camera?

 

[Keith_Reeder]

I'm very impressed by it (won't say "excited" until I own one - which I certainly will) and like you I don't get the negativity.

It's just another example of the false sense of entitlement so many people seem to have these days - "how dare Canon not make me my perfect camera..."

 

[-Jarred-]

Excited? No, but I wasn't hugely disappointed like some others. Pretty much what I expected and it looks like a pretty competent camera as far as I can tell.

I'd love one as a 2nd body for the crap factor when shooting motorsport, but I'd much rather something wider in the lens dept and a couple of primes I have my eye on.

 

[whothafunk]

as an outdoor sports camera, super excited, you cannot get any better (minus the 1DX/D4s). as an indoor, not really excited. early tests show almost no improvement over the 70D in ISO.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

No, the 10fps, plus the AF, plus the reach should be pretty impressive (the metering too if it does have spot linked to AF point, so far I've heard yes and no on that).

 

[Zv]

I feel as if (and this only my opinion which is worthless) the ones doing the crying are not the people who the 7DII is aimed for.

You have landscapers moaning about only 20Mpix and the usual DR nonsense.

Then you have videographers banging on about the lack of 4K.

Meanwhile sports / wildlife photographers are quietly pre-ordering. If I was a sports photographer I'd be pretty excited to have the 7D II either as a back up or main camera. I have a feeling once some solid reviews come around and people get to feel how easy the camera is to work with (loved my 7D ergonomics) things will calm down.

I thought the 7D was an amazing camera but on paper when it was compared to say a 60D there didn't seem to be all that much different. Once you actually use the 7D you start to realize that it's a beast and is built to last. The IQ was it's Achilles heel but hopefully that issue will be addressed to a satisfactory level and what we'll get is a highly refined machine!

 

[douglaurent]

For all people looking at video, it's a huge disappointment, because even if you don't need 4K now, you might need it in the coming 4 years. definitely you don't need mushy unsharp video now. in times with very fast developments in technology canon honestly thinks videographers want to work with the same video quality until the year 2018 that they already gave us in 2008? that's weird, especially as at photokina 2 years ago they already did show what is possible in terms of dslr video. missing focus peaking etc clearly is a sign that their marketing departments dictate the technology, by falsely thinking giving us those features would cannibalize their expensive cinema line. i personally would have bought 3x 7D2 if it was 4K as addition to my 1DC, now i have 3x GH4. bad luck canon, they should fire all of their japanese decision makers. even for photo people it's a huge disappointment having no wifi, no swivel screen, no high megapixels etc. as an upgrade 5 years after the first 7D you can say that it won't hurt to simply keep the old model.

 

[pwp]

For all people looking at video, it's a huge disappointment, because even if you don't need 4K now, you might need it in the coming 4 years.

I personally would have bought 3x 7D2 if it was 4K as addition to my 1DC, now i have 3x GH4.

I've stopped looking to Canon to solve my video requirements. Why worry? The Panasonic GH4 is just awesome. I'll probably get another one. The Panasonic glass is compact and classy. With the new Metabones MFT Speedbooster my Canon glass is an option for video usage too. Cool!

However I'm pretty excited about the 7DII for stills. Most work is shot on the 5D3 and the 1D4, but the 1D4 with well over 500,000 clicks may soon be getting a bit tired. I like having a good crop body, though like WW I'm an APS-H fanboy. The x1.3 crop APS-H 1D4 is an absolute classic. Even with the high milage, I won't be completely retiring it any time soon.

The awesome AF of the 7DII is what interests me. For evening events work the 1D4 is has lousy AF when the light is low, only saved by a Yongnuo 622C with it's very bright AF assist. With a 7DII I can leave the Yongnuo 622C at home and enjoy Canon's best AF this side of the 1DX. And it's inexpensive! Having used very nicely evolved touch-screens on the GH4 and SL-1/100D, it's disappointing that this great feature didn't make the cut.

Really looking forward to checking out some high iso 7DII RAW files. I'd only expect a modest gain over the 7D and don't really expect a match with the 1D4, but if 3200 is usable I'll be a happy camper.

-pw

 

[jrista]

I'm impressed by the AF system and iTR functionality. It's long past due that models other than the 1D received an advanced meter tied into the AF system. I think it will give the camera extremely accurate tracking, especially combined with 65 cross-type AF points.

I'm not particularly impressed with the IQ. I was honestly hoping for more...a LOT more. It's marginally improved over the 70D, seemingly mostly in terms of lower color noise (similar to the 6D at high ISO vs. the 5D III...much lower color noise there.) I was hoping Canon would take the opportunity with the 7D II to reveal an impressive new sensor, to show they are still in the sensor IQ game...but nope.

I'm also a little bummed the AF system is not comparable to the 61pt system in terms of point sensitivity. It seems most of the points are only f/5.6 sensitive, which means there won't be any AF performance bonus at f/4 or f/2.8 (outside of the central point(s), at least.) I think the AF system will perform well, but for those who have f/4 or f/2.8 prime teles, I honestly don't think it will perform as well as the 61pt system. The 1D X also provides increased AF drive power, so it will still focus faster (not even the 5D III focuses as fast as the 1D X.)

I think the 7D II, if it was really a "video" release, comes off as lackluster on that front, at best. Seems like everyone out there has better offerings on the video front. I think even though 4k hasn't hit it big in people's living rooms yet, for a camera that could potentially exist for five years, not including 4k seems like a mistake (even if it only lasts 3 years until replacement, that's three years where 4k TV and video will be getting cheaper and taking off even more.)

Aside from the AF system and iTR, which in some ways isn't as good as the 61pt AF system, I think the 7D II comes off as a bit lackluster. That's probably why there isn't quite as much excitement on these forums for it. It'll probably sell well...far too many people have pent up energy waiting to buy the 7D replacement, so they will probably sell like hotcakes for a while. It finally has some competition, though. Despite the 12-bit readout (which I personally don't think is nearly as big an issue as it's being made out to be), I think the Samsung NX1 could eventually present a viable alternative to the 7D II. It'll need lenses, or at the very least, a fully capable EF compatible mount adapter so EF lenses can be used on it. If I could slap my 600mm f/4 L II on the NX1, I'd be very, very interested in seeing how it performed. I think the BSI ISOCELL tech should be capable of providing superior IQ, and the high frame rate and impressive-sounding AF system is quite intriguing. (Biggest drawback for me is lack of an OVF...I'm not a big EVF fan...and the EVF in the NX1 doesn't sound particularly high resolution, so that could be it's Achilles' heel.)

 

[bigbadhenry]

Meanwhile sports / wildlife photographers are quietly pre-ordering. If I was a sports photographer I'd be pretty excited to have the 7D II either as a back up or main camera.

Total agree.

 

[e_honda]

Unless you're a sports/wildlife photographer, I don't think it's worth the difference in cost between the 70D.

It's a nice piece of equipment, for sure, but I think people expected more given the unusually long 5 year gap between the 2 versions of the same model.

 

[Sabaki]

Hell yes i'm excited!

I shoot birds, wildlife, racing etc and this is precisely what I want and need.

I'm also stepping up from a 500D so the performance difference should be huge!!!

Too many people enjoy complaining on this board. Nobody has had the camera in their hands but they seem to know everything about it.

I've pre-ordered and will take the day off work when it arrives. I'll go out there and take photos and leave you guys behind to nag about what the camera should've been

 

[Don Haines]

Yes.

Ok, so it's missing a few bells and whistles, but the core of the camera is a weather sealed, 10fps, long shutter life workhorse with an autofocus system to die for. For what it was designed for, this is the best camera on the market and at a decent price.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

Unless you're a sports/wildlife photographer, I don't think it's worth the difference in cost between the 70D.

Unless they're a sports/wildlife photographer (which is unquestionably its intended target audience) why would anyone even express an opinion about the 7D Mk II?

It's like a farmer whining about a new Ferrari because it won't pull his plough very well through muddy fields with those smooth little wheels...

The 7D Mk II is what it is - and it will be game-changingly good at that.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

I was hoping Canon would take the opportunity with the 7D II to reveal an impressive new sensor, to show they are still in the sensor IQ game...but nope.

They are - and they've never not been - "in the sensor IQ game". For its target audience, an improved 70D derived sensor will be brilliant.

I've said it before, Jon - you'd see significant improvements over your current results simply by using a different converter. Sensors are only a shortcoming if you let them be.

 

[Sporgon]

So its no great secret i'm not the worlds biggest fan of crop sensors...

but the EOS-M is a great little camera to support my 5Dmk3 for various things and means no lens changing

so looking at the specs of the 7D2 I am actually pretty excited about this
well not excited enough to buy it bleeding edge but say in a year or so when prices drop and bargains are around or sales i am definately interested in picking one up to use on my tamron 150-600

I have pretty high expectations for the new AF system given how great the 5Dmk3 and 1DX AF systems are

but all I read are posts about people crying that its not what they wanted.

so anyone else excited about the potential for this new camera?

I am too. Although I've been in FF since 2005 I acknowledge that in many - (the majority ?) of circumstances there is no perceivable difference with APS, and the 7DII looks like really good value as a smart little action camera.

 

[Pakneh]

I just pre-ordered my 7d Mk2 because Henry's had a sweet deal going where you pre-order and get a Canon 24-105 F4 at a $900.00 discount. Presently I already have a 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8, so I simply intented to sell the 24-105 and my 7D to make this a nice steal.

In another three years time when the 5D4 is available, I have a camera with significantly more resale value to boot.

Personally I love the MK2, the specs are "spectacular", for what I shoot.

 

[Maiaibing]

I've said it before (...) Sensors are only a shortcoming if you let them be.

Yes, indeed, however, it is still untrue to discount the huge importance of sensor tech for your end result and shooting abilities.

 

[can0nfan2379]

For what it is I think it will be a great camera. Personally I am still hoping for a true 1D4 successor with a 1.6x crop -- that is integrated grip, weather sealing, build, 1 Series focus drive / response and shorter viewfinder blackout but with a crop sensor for wildlife work in nasty weather. Not sure I'd trust the build of the 7D II to stand up to really adverse conditions.

 

[capndave]

I've said it before (...) Sensors are only a shortcoming if you let them be.

Yes, indeed, however, it is still untrue to discount the huge importance of sensor tech for your end result and shooting abilities.

I am not sure what format Canon is using for their RAW files. I guess it's not CR2 because Adobe can't read them. Might be awhile before we learn about the low light performance.
Canon sez t is new sensor tech and something to do with the lenses o the pixels and the way they gather light. Tile will tell