Am I the only one excited about the new 7D mk2?

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The 7D mk II takes this even further than all the other Canon DSLRs by allowing to output the signal without overlays/menus for clean viewing or recording, whilst having the camera LCD turned on and showing the overlays/menus, and it works up to 60p, with 4:2:2 chroma sampling (vs the internal 4:2:0). It's a very high quality signal for monitoring and even recording,

At least with the 5D3, the clean HDMI out ended up making little difference for video quality. The damage was done pre-compression. I suspect it will be the same with the 7D2. Using ML RAW however, wow, that gave the 5D3 some really amazing 1080p quality, vastly better than the clean HDMI out, so much more detail and color, etc.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Yes the the difference between the 4:2:0 and 4:2:2 is hardly noticeable to most viewers, it's a very, very small difference that only shows up in keying and heavy colour grading. ML raw is 14bit (!) and 4:4:4, that A LOT of colour information, more than most cinema cameras ever made at any price. I never bothered to record that HDMI signal given how small the difference is, which means that the H.264 codec is doing a very good job internally compared to ProRes, both looking almost identical. The HDMI on the 7D is still very good for monitoring a clean uncluttered image and the LCD stays on too which is very helpful, the HDMI also includes audio for the first time on a Canon DSLR, and of course useful for external recording if you have specific need for 4:2:2 for heavy grading and keying, and if you want to deliver edit-friendly ProRes files straight off the card, just don't expect noticeably higher image quality than the internal codec, they are virtually the same.

 

[garyknrd]

After a little reading and reviewing the RAW files I have canceled my pre-order here in Thailand. I was caught up in the hype. hummm

Here is some good reading about the AF systems on EOS cameras if anyone is interested.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Photography-Tips/canon-eos-dslr-autofocus-explained.aspx

 

[weixing]

After a little reading and reviewing the RAW files I have canceled my pre-order here in Thailand. I was caught up in the hype. hummm

Here is some good reading about the AF systems on EOS cameras if anyone is interested.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Photography-Tips/canon-eos-dslr-autofocus-explained.aspx

Hi,
I just wonder what the expectation everyone had with 7D2... it's quite obvious that this camera is not IQ priority... the 7D2 is all about speed... speed to capture the moment.

I sold my 6D once 7D2 is announce... 6D is an excellent camera with very good IQ, but since I use my camera mainly for birding, I had a problem with 6D: 6D don't focus well when subject is small and most birds are "small" especially for FF camera... even my old 60D focus better than 6D for birds. So basically:
1) 6D will give an excellent IQ, but high chance of out of focus image, Or
2) 7D2 had high chance of getting an in focus image, but there will be a lot more noise.

So my conclusion is to sell the 6D and get the 7D2 (since I can't afford 5D3 or 1Dx) because as noise reduction algorithm and computation power improve, the possibility of cleaning up a noisy image is higher than to make an out of focus image in focus.

Have a nice day.

 

[Craig Burrows MBE]

First post, I have lurked here long enough:

IQ is at least partially subjective, also the production camera & RAW software is not yet available, let true battle commence when the production model & Adobe Camera Raw 8.7 software are released if that is what your buying considerations are based on. I also only shoot in RAW & speed is very important for me.

USB 3 is important for getting sports/disaster photos out fast (although wifi would have been nice), in these situation seconds do matter, while I maybe “strange” this works for me. If this had a touch screen or a flip-out screen I would not have it on order. Yes they can be built weather resistant for a lot of situations; just not the situations I occasionally end up shooting.

My 7D got me some great sports shots for national publication & my typhoon/flooding shots international coverage. It withstood typhoon rain & only gave up once but that was my fault as the conditions were so bad I could not have got a decent shot but chose my safety over the cameras. Personally weather sealing is very important. I have dropped the 7D in flood water & it kept on shooting minutes later!

For my needs the 7D MKII has the improvements I had hoped for. It is unrealistic to expect a crop sensor to match a FF one, if you want FF pay for it as this is obviously not the camera for you. If you want a cheaper camera with a longer reach that can be used in harsh conditions this is the best available.

The Samsung & Sony are interesting but I know the 7D, trust Canon & have the lenses. I dream of unicorns & perfect cameras but when I wake up I am happy that I have ordered the 7D MKII for the photography that I do – sports, wildlife & disasters. Only very rarely do I shoot landscapes so I do not even have Canon lenses for them.

Thanks to www.cameraworld.co.uk

 

[FEBS]

So my conclusion is to sell the 6D and get the 7D2 (since I can't afford 5D3 or 1Dx) because as noise reduction algorithm and computation power improve, the possibility of cleaning up a noisy image is higher than to make an out of focus image in focus.

it depends what type of birding you shoot. Birds in the flight, yes the 7D2 will outperform the 6D as like you mentioned better noise then an out of focus image. If you however shoot almost always static birds, then I would advice to keep the 6D. I know the most birds don't sit still, but you have time to focus at that moment and the central focus point of the 6D is really good. You will not miss the supplemental length brought by crop as you can crop your image much more compared to APS-C, and certainly if you need high shutterspeeds (1/1000), as then iso must go up, and that on crop does cause a lot quicker noise in the image then on FF. I don't know what lens you are using for birding, but that's perhaps something to think on.

 

[garyknrd]

After a little reading and reviewing the RAW files I have canceled my pre-order here in Thailand. I was caught up in the hype. hummm

Here is some good reading about the AF systems on EOS cameras if anyone is interested.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Photography-Tips/canon-eos-dslr-autofocus-explained.aspx

Hi,
I just wonder what the expectation everyone had with 7D2... it's quite obvious that this camera is not IQ priority... the 7D2 is all about speed... speed to capture the moment.

I sold my 6D once 7D2 is announce... 6D is an excellent camera with very good IQ, but since I use my camera mainly for birding, I had a problem with 6D: 6D don't focus well when subject is small and most birds are "small" especially for FF camera... even my old 60D focus better than 6D for birds. So basically:
1) 6D will give an excellent IQ, but high chance of out of focus image, Or
2) 7D2 had high chance of getting an in focus image, but there will be a lot more noise.

So my conclusion is to sell the 6D and get the 7D2 (since I can't afford 5D3 or 1Dx) because as noise reduction algorithm and computation power improve, the possibility of cleaning up a noisy image is higher than to make an out of focus image in focus.

Have a nice day.

I think the 7D II IQ will be just fine actually. I guess I didn't explain my position good enough.
I already have a camera with AF ability as good or better than the 7D II. All I would be gaining is a little more reach.

I will pick one up for sure. It will make a great camera for me with a little more reach. But, at this point will wait a while.

Have a good one.

 

[jthomson]

First meeting of my photography club this week and the talk was all about the 7D2. Lots on pre - order at the local camera store. One member said he was number 150 on the list. I would say that most are upgrading from 7D.

 

[wickidwombat]

So, looking at my choices, I basically want the 5D4 for less than $2k

And I want a 1DX MkII for less than $4,000 and a 1Ds MkIII replacement for less the $5,000 too, guess what, it ain't gonna happen.

Incidentally, what difference does USB 3 make to anything?

Look around all you want, you will find the high end DSLR crop camera market wanting, if you have decent lens requirements your choices are the 7D MkII and the 5 year old Nikon D300s, which is basically the 7 year old D300, and if you are a gambler this weeks Sony offering, but it probably won't be supported next week.

If you truthfully want a serious IQ kick then same generation FF gives it to you, but at a price, if you can't or don't want to afford the price then you have to make a compromise.

I think the crippled SD slot is a bigger PITA than no usb 3...