Announcement Day July 23, 2012? [CR2]
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
Either way you're dead.
Best advice, always go with someone slower than you. You can't outrun the bear, but you don't have to. You just have to outrun the person you are with.
HeWhoShoots said:
Either way you're dead.
Best advice, always go with someone slower than you. You can't outrun the bear, but you don't have to. You just have to outrun the person you are with.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
I've got loads of shots of bears with everything from a 200 to a 500 so the 200/400 plus extender and 7d is all I need. Got a mk4 as well. Best stuff is when the salmon runs, bears are so interested in food they ignore you. Got a great head shot this year with me lying in a river grizzly lying in the water staring at me pin sharp as well only a tiny crop. 500 prime and 7d, but i had to sell the big prime for a ridiculous profit.
What we do for the shot. A guy I met has a head shot of a grizzly coming out the water so only its head shows, salmon in its mouth, blood pouring from it shaking it, salmon eggs in mid air being caught by a seagull in Alaska. Amazing taken from a boat done with a 7d 300 prime and 1/4 extender.He got it in a top French magazine. Best I've seen in years. But I'm afraid I'll be disappointed and canon will again delay it. I need it to go deer shooting in autumn during the rut and European wolves later in the year white horses next spring time. I need the lens.....
Mick
I've got loads of shots of bears with everything from a 200 to a 500 so the 200/400 plus extender and 7d is all I need. Got a mk4 as well. Best stuff is when the salmon runs, bears are so interested in food they ignore you. Got a great head shot this year with me lying in a river grizzly lying in the water staring at me pin sharp as well only a tiny crop. 500 prime and 7d, but i had to sell the big prime for a ridiculous profit.
What we do for the shot. A guy I met has a head shot of a grizzly coming out the water so only its head shows, salmon in its mouth, blood pouring from it shaking it, salmon eggs in mid air being caught by a seagull in Alaska. Amazing taken from a boat done with a 7d 300 prime and 1/4 extender.He got it in a top French magazine. Best I've seen in years. But I'm afraid I'll be disappointed and canon will again delay it. I need it to go deer shooting in autumn during the rut and European wolves later in the year white horses next spring time. I need the lens.....
Mick
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
I will be in Katmai in late August to shoot bears...I always take the biggest lens that I have with me, my 500.....but I also take my 100-400 along with my extenders. I have gotten a lot of great shots with my 100-400 with the 1.4x and have been plenty close to the bears on many occasions to get great shots....having said that if I had an 800 I would never go there without it, with or without the extender....on the MK IV that gives you a lot of distance. Really depends on where you go and just how close you can get to the bears....I really prefer to be able to get within 50 yds of the bears....makes for some awesome stuff!dilbert said:
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
Reminds me of the fellow who had his gear chewed up by a bear last month (there abouts). It chewed up a new 400mm - so even 400 is not long enough when he comes up to you from behind.
Reminds me of the fellow who had his gear chewed up by a bear last month (there abouts). It chewed up a new 400mm - so even 400 is not long enough when he comes up to you from behind.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
If you're talking about the one on the lensrental.com blog, it was a 600.
kdsand said:Reminds me of the fellow who had his gear chewed up by a bear last month (there abouts). It chewed up a new 400mm - so even 400 is not long enough when he comes up to you from behind.
If you're talking about the one on the lensrental.com blog, it was a 600.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
That's the one.
Lens & tripod got gnawed on.
Bob Howland said:
That's the one.
Lens & tripod got gnawed on.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
Isn't the mirrorless "ILC" category basically an evolution of the Point-and-shoot category? Why are so many people throwing around the "full frame" term in the same sentence, and making statements like, "FF or bust for me!", or,
"Another disappointment from Canon"....
Why will anyone be shocked or complain when it is not FF? Maybe there will be a "higher end" version too, but isn't one of those Ashton Kutcher mini fashion cameras also a "high-end" model???
Y'all new to relaxo.
And while I'm on a rant, why do people consider 35mm "full-frame" to be a "Pro" size? My EOS Rebel G is plastic all the way with 3 focusing points and a FULL FRAME image area!
FF is just another size, it ain't the holy grail.
Isn't the mirrorless "ILC" category basically an evolution of the Point-and-shoot category? Why are so many people throwing around the "full frame" term in the same sentence, and making statements like, "FF or bust for me!", or,
"Another disappointment from Canon"....
Why will anyone be shocked or complain when it is not FF? Maybe there will be a "higher end" version too, but isn't one of those Ashton Kutcher mini fashion cameras also a "high-end" model???
Y'all new to relaxo.
And while I'm on a rant, why do people consider 35mm "full-frame" to be a "Pro" size? My EOS Rebel G is plastic all the way with 3 focusing points and a FULL FRAME image area!
FF is just another size, it ain't the holy grail.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
A highly desirable camera at a very undesirable price. The camera is a little bit bigger than other mirrorless cameras, but still smaller and lighter than a DSLR, and the lenses are fairly small too.
If Canon can make a camera like this with an "affordable" pricetag (around 3.5K instead of Leicas 7K), it will be a huge success! Especially among people who wants to go mirrorless without sacrificing image quality, thin DOF capabilities and high ISO performance.
Stop. See Leica M9 / upcoming M10.pdirestajr said:
A highly desirable camera at a very undesirable price. The camera is a little bit bigger than other mirrorless cameras, but still smaller and lighter than a DSLR, and the lenses are fairly small too.
If Canon can make a camera like this with an "affordable" pricetag (around 3.5K instead of Leicas 7K), it will be a huge success! Especially among people who wants to go mirrorless without sacrificing image quality, thin DOF capabilities and high ISO performance.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
Many people would argue that the bigger the better when it comes to sensors.
Also, mirrorless cameras are probably the future. Less mechanical parts means fewer tech limitations, minor bulk, minor production costs, and so on. One day not very far they will take over the market same as digital made with film. So it's cool to know "which death we're going to die".
pdirestajr said:
Many people would argue that the bigger the better when it comes to sensors.
Also, mirrorless cameras are probably the future. Less mechanical parts means fewer tech limitations, minor bulk, minor production costs, and so on. One day not very far they will take over the market same as digital made with film. So it's cool to know "which death we're going to die".
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
exactly.
Yes, I want something like a 5D3 ... just in a compact mirrorless package.
No, I do not want to make any sacrifices in terms of IQ, AF, speed and performance.
No, I do not want Leicas yesteryear anachronistic rangefinder manual focus stuff.
And ... I definitely do not want to pay Leica prices for it.
Best thing is: such a camera can be made today. Even by Canon, if we - the market - push 'em hard enough.
Ricku said:
exactly.
Yes, I want something like a 5D3 ... just in a compact mirrorless package.
No, I do not want to make any sacrifices in terms of IQ, AF, speed and performance.
No, I do not want Leicas yesteryear anachronistic rangefinder manual focus stuff.
And ... I definitely do not want to pay Leica prices for it.
Best thing is: such a camera can be made today. Even by Canon, if we - the market - push 'em hard enough.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
We see that with the high end L glass, canon can make any item awesome for a niche market, but it cost a LOT to get it. I'd like one for more portable applications, but, I doubt I'd pay the premium. And I'd doubt it releases at 1500-2000
true, but I'm not sure I agree that the market is large enough to make it very cheap. For people who use the camera for several hours at a time or who have large tele lenses, the ergonomics would suck and they wouldn't use it. So cutting out that audience raises the price. And full frame raises the cost, so the audience was limited already.AvTvM said:
We see that with the high end L glass, canon can make any item awesome for a niche market, but it cost a LOT to get it. I'd like one for more portable applications, but, I doubt I'd pay the premium. And I'd doubt it releases at 1500-2000
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
"New and Inovative" does not mean "more of the same"
The first digital cameras were 320 by 200 pixels in 16 colours. That is a laughable resolution. At the time, some of us said to wait and see, the resolution would become better than 35mm film. Who's laughing now?
Digital is not film. To treat it like film is to apply restrictions to it that need not apply. To expect that an optical viewfinder technology is the best solution for a digital camera is flawed logic. Look at the latest generation of Apple products.... the Retina display is made up of finer pixels than the eye can detect.... this technology will give you as good of a viewfinder as optical because it is the human eye that is the limiting factor..... not the optics and not the display.
The digital viewfinder has a multitude of advantages over the optical viewfinder. First, by leaving it in the same spot as the optical viewfinder we can retain a familiar form factor yet eliminate most of the mechanicals of the camera... no more shutter... longer battery life, longer camera life... and you can adjust brightness/contrast/gamma on a digital viewfinder... try that on optical!
By putting an additional digital viewfinder on the back of the camera, the 3" or so tilt/swivel/touch screen, we open up a lot of new possibilities to see the image and control the camera.
And who says that the viewfinder has to be on the cameras? Ever hear of tethered shooting? I use it a lot for astrophotography.... and it's great for bird pictures too, set the camera up near the nest and step WAY back... How long before there is a wireless interface to the camera and you can use a smart phone or tablet?
Mirrorless is the way of the future. Don't expect the first ones out to be the "best camera ever", but just watch how soon they eclipse APSC and full frame...
"New and Inovative" does not mean "more of the same"
The first digital cameras were 320 by 200 pixels in 16 colours. That is a laughable resolution. At the time, some of us said to wait and see, the resolution would become better than 35mm film. Who's laughing now?
Digital is not film. To treat it like film is to apply restrictions to it that need not apply. To expect that an optical viewfinder technology is the best solution for a digital camera is flawed logic. Look at the latest generation of Apple products.... the Retina display is made up of finer pixels than the eye can detect.... this technology will give you as good of a viewfinder as optical because it is the human eye that is the limiting factor..... not the optics and not the display.
The digital viewfinder has a multitude of advantages over the optical viewfinder. First, by leaving it in the same spot as the optical viewfinder we can retain a familiar form factor yet eliminate most of the mechanicals of the camera... no more shutter... longer battery life, longer camera life... and you can adjust brightness/contrast/gamma on a digital viewfinder... try that on optical!
By putting an additional digital viewfinder on the back of the camera, the 3" or so tilt/swivel/touch screen, we open up a lot of new possibilities to see the image and control the camera.
And who says that the viewfinder has to be on the cameras? Ever hear of tethered shooting? I use it a lot for astrophotography.... and it's great for bird pictures too, set the camera up near the nest and step WAY back... How long before there is a wireless interface to the camera and you can use a smart phone or tablet?
Mirrorless is the way of the future. Don't expect the first ones out to be the "best camera ever", but just watch how soon they eclipse APSC and full frame...
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
My D30 has 3mps and 3AF points
Tethered shooting is rather old hat - I have been using it since 2009 for macro work when my camera was attached to the PC with a 26" monitor (4:3) There was talk a couple of years ago of wireless USB being the way foward - but never happened as bluetooth took the steam out of the initiative. Luckily as it happens as it was dead easy to hack into.
APS-C will be standard in P&S soon so the 'real' cameras will have to have something better.
Interesting that Fuji still sell a MF rangfinder (120/220 film). I wouldn't bet against a prototype digital version of it being made somewhere
Once MF sensors get faster I would not bet against MF DSLR's becoming popular - like the Pentax 645 at 4fps would create an interesting alternative to the D800.
Mirrorless? Well maybe, there are tech issues there which would have to be resolved for the non comsumer bodies.
Don Haines said:
My D30 has 3mps and 3AF points
Tethered shooting is rather old hat - I have been using it since 2009 for macro work when my camera was attached to the PC with a 26" monitor (4:3) There was talk a couple of years ago of wireless USB being the way foward - but never happened as bluetooth took the steam out of the initiative. Luckily as it happens as it was dead easy to hack into.
APS-C will be standard in P&S soon so the 'real' cameras will have to have something better.
Interesting that Fuji still sell a MF rangfinder (120/220 film). I wouldn't bet against a prototype digital version of it being made somewhere
Once MF sensors get faster I would not bet against MF DSLR's becoming popular - like the Pentax 645 at 4fps would create an interesting alternative to the D800.
Mirrorless? Well maybe, there are tech issues there which would have to be resolved for the non comsumer bodies.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
Even Leica cannot do it. The size of M8 or M9 is bigger than the M4.
You cannot use the size of film camera as reference. Olympus is well known to make the camera as small as possible in the film days and digital now. Just look at the Om-D 50M. It is the size of the old OM4. But it only has a M4/3 sensor. So you just cannot expect to have a APS-C or FFsensor in the same size body as a film camera.Stevo2008 said:
Even Leica cannot do it. The size of M8 or M9 is bigger than the M4.
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Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
Wireless tethering to your phone or tablet & then we will not even need a built in lcd screen. Then we just need a really good digital viewfinder built in or better yet an adjustable viewing module.
And while we're at it lets make the viewfinders a bit bigger across the board.
Wireless tethering to your phone or tablet & then we will not even need a built in lcd screen. Then we just need a really good digital viewfinder built in or better yet an adjustable viewing module.
And while we're at it lets make the viewfinders a bit bigger across the board.
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