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uniquebythemillions said:
Old? This camera was announced Aug 26, 2010 and shipped some time after that. Personally I'd prefer slowed down model cycles which I have no doubt are driven by the marketing departments. They feed on our insatiable appetite for the latest.
A bit over a year in the marketplace will reveal any 60D specific issues, but overall it's a solid performer in its price bracket. There was a perception that there was a quality drop after the metal body 50D gave way to the plastic body 60D, but in reality this makes little difference. They needed to make a tangible points of difference between the xxD series and the more upmarket 7D and body material was an obvious pickup.
Most 60D owners couldn't be happier. A few will have bought a 60D with unrealistic expectations and a few will have had the rotten luck of scoring a lemon. These will be a tiny minority. It's the same with any mass manufactured goods.
Read some well thought out reviews....
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos60D/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E60D/E60DA.HTM
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_eos_60d_review/
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-60D-DSLR-Camera-Review.aspx
http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=4644&review=canon+eos+60d
And should you get a 60D? Absolutely!
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The 60D is not even close to being "old" technology. I own one as well as a 5D mk ll and let me tell you, the 5D mk ll feels old in comparison. I love both bodies to death and would highly recommend the 60D if it is in your price range.
As far as "flaws" nope. The 60D is a pretty solid piece of gear that was well worth the money spent.
As far as "flaws" nope. The 60D is a pretty solid piece of gear that was well worth the money spent.
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the biggest flaw in the 60D is that it does not have micro adjust AF, this is massive IMO as it means you cant get the best out of your lens, you're better off getting a 7D it's not THAT much more, or if you are saving money
then a 600D is going to pretty much do everything the 60D does but with a slower frame rate.
on ebay 600D are around $600 the 60D are around $900 body only and 7D is around $1300 body only new, I think the 7D is worth the extra as you get much better build (weather sealing) better controls on the back like the 1D and 5D and better AF as well as the all important micro adjust
the 600D, 60D and the 7D all have the same sensor so there is no difference in image quality between them.
If money is an issue i think you are much better off getting the 600D and some good glass eg the 17-55 f2.8
then a 600D is going to pretty much do everything the 60D does but with a slower frame rate.
on ebay 600D are around $600 the 60D are around $900 body only and 7D is around $1300 body only new, I think the 7D is worth the extra as you get much better build (weather sealing) better controls on the back like the 1D and 5D and better AF as well as the all important micro adjust
the 600D, 60D and the 7D all have the same sensor so there is no difference in image quality between them.
If money is an issue i think you are much better off getting the 600D and some good glass eg the 17-55 f2.8
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It depends on what you mean by the term flaw. If you are asking about defects or operational /image issues, I have not heard of any. I haven't heard of any common failutres, for example, or image defects. Of course, it is possible to find image defects, I'm sure by doing things like grossly underexposing and then pulling up by 4 stops. Some will do things like that, and then claim they found a defect.
If you are asking about missing features, lacking a feature that a higher priced camera has, might not be considered a flaw. The list of such features would be pretty long, and different photographers might think their favorite feature that a more expensive model has, is missing. Autofocus Micro-adjustment, is high on my list of missing features.
If you are asking about missing features, lacking a feature that a higher priced camera has, might not be considered a flaw. The list of such features would be pretty long, and different photographers might think their favorite feature that a more expensive model has, is missing. Autofocus Micro-adjustment, is high on my list of missing features.
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I've been pretty happy with mine. I upgraded from a t2i and it's done me pretty well. I really like the flip out screen, it comes in handy a lot. If your in this price range it's pretty good. I can usually get decent photos up to about ISO 1600. After that the noise is too strong.
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wickidwombat said:
Wickedwombat makes a good point...microadjust is a VERY cool feature. On my 1D4 this function has brought more than one of my lenses back from virtual uselessness to highly useable. I wouldn't buy another body without it.
Which leads us to the 7D....do it if you have the $$.
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uniquebythemillions said:
Hi,
No flaws for photographers, I sold my 7D after I had the 60D because the 60D turned out to be the better camera! Lenses I had had to microadjust on the 7D did not require adjustment on the 60D. AF was slower at the subject but tracking was much more accurate on moving subjects like Puffins circling a cliff. It is always living up to its 5fps whereas the 7D hardly ever manages 7fps.
Only drawback is for those who wish to switch between filming and photographing regularly and quickly: The mode-dial is always in locked position and the filming mode is only available at the very far end of the dial. I missed many clips and photos fiddling with the dial. It is especially clumsy when wearing gloves, it even hurts trying to get hold of the dial after a while. Other operational drawbacks as compared to the 7D exist but nothing to worry about.
Conclusion: The 60D is the best APS-C-Kamera in the Canon Line-up, especially for those who do not wish to film
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Speaking of the 60D and flaws, I haven't used one but am wary about the locking mode dial. I like to be able to turn the dial easily and quickly; I haven't had any problems with accidental mode changes.
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I own a 60d and its great. For me at least being a amateur photographer its been a great body to learn with,i have gotten good pictures from it and have not found anything to complain about. i installed magic lantern and have even more features to use. i would get the 60d and invest in really good glass
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I own both a 60D and a 7D. By the way, there is nothing newer than the 60D. I very much miss Micro-Adjust which I've had to do with Sigma and Tamron lenses but not any Canon glass. As long as you stick with Canon glass I haven't had to use Micro-Adjust. Come to think of it, maybe that was Canon's plan....
I actually like the look of the noise of the 60D better than the 7D. Sensors may be the same, but that doesn't mean the firmware treats that noise in the same way. It also seems that the colors are more vibrant on the 7D but maybe I need to recheck my settings. I only shoot raw and that is what I see.
By the way the 7D has no tiltable screen. I shoot all events with the 60D because the tiltable screen is just so really handy - I think it seems sharper and more brilliant than the 7D. I love it and I take it everywhere (except when I'm out in the field shooting the 5DMK II).
I actually like the look of the noise of the 60D better than the 7D. Sensors may be the same, but that doesn't mean the firmware treats that noise in the same way. It also seems that the colors are more vibrant on the 7D but maybe I need to recheck my settings. I only shoot raw and that is what I see.
By the way the 7D has no tiltable screen. I shoot all events with the 60D because the tiltable screen is just so really handy - I think it seems sharper and more brilliant than the 7D. I love it and I take it everywhere (except when I'm out in the field shooting the 5DMK II).
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uniquebythemillions said:
After owned for about a year, I absolutely happy with the 60D.
And I notice these problem too:
1. because the body is plastic (i think so), the rubber grip seems to be pull off from the body especially at the hand grip
2. the RAW processing feature in the body is useless because i spend a lot of editing in PC
3. 96% viewfinder make me unsatisfied especially when composing
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as others have said, it doesn't have microadjustment
if you're going to use autofocus on fast lenses, it's absolutely a must: without it, only luck will give you good focus
so much so that in that case I'd rather go for a second-hand 50D than for the 60D
http://www.similaar.com/foto/tuten/510.html
if you're going to use autofocus on fast lenses, it's absolutely a must: without it, only luck will give you good focus
so much so that in that case I'd rather go for a second-hand 50D than for the 60D
http://www.similaar.com/foto/tuten/510.html
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+1 for the lack of MA and 96% VF coverage, quite significant 'flaws' for a camera in this price range.
It's not clear from your post which features you need/what you like to shoot and which lenses you have, but if you are an existing Rebel user and want to upgrade, I agree with the others suggesting getting a 7D instead. It's a more complete camera and a bigger jump from a Rebel, I would go for that. But it costs more, obviously, but it's well worth the extra money especially if you want to shoot sports.
If this will be your first DSLR and you are concerned with 60D's 'old age', you could always get the rumored 650D (which is about to be released in February and will be available very quickly) and spend more money on some decent glass. For better IQ, this is far more important than a body with more features (and in this case, basically with the same sensor).
You probably already know that the Rebels lack quite a few features (no big dial at the back of the camera, max shutter speed limited to 1/4000, more shutter lag, slower burst rate, only one cross-type sensor, smaller pentamirror VF, worse battery life, etc...) but the 650D will most probably have the same 18MP sensor which means basically identical image and video quality, if not with slightly better low light performance thanks to the new DIGIC V.
The 60D is a fine camera, nonetheless. It has a lot more to offer than a Rebel but is also priced accordingly. It all comes down to what you need and what you don't.
Good luck with your decision
It's not clear from your post which features you need/what you like to shoot and which lenses you have, but if you are an existing Rebel user and want to upgrade, I agree with the others suggesting getting a 7D instead. It's a more complete camera and a bigger jump from a Rebel, I would go for that. But it costs more, obviously, but it's well worth the extra money especially if you want to shoot sports.
If this will be your first DSLR and you are concerned with 60D's 'old age', you could always get the rumored 650D (which is about to be released in February and will be available very quickly) and spend more money on some decent glass. For better IQ, this is far more important than a body with more features (and in this case, basically with the same sensor).
You probably already know that the Rebels lack quite a few features (no big dial at the back of the camera, max shutter speed limited to 1/4000, more shutter lag, slower burst rate, only one cross-type sensor, smaller pentamirror VF, worse battery life, etc...) but the 650D will most probably have the same 18MP sensor which means basically identical image and video quality, if not with slightly better low light performance thanks to the new DIGIC V.
The 60D is a fine camera, nonetheless. It has a lot more to offer than a Rebel but is also priced accordingly. It all comes down to what you need and what you don't.
Good luck with your decision
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handsomerob said:
Video is going to be far from identical: DIGIC 4 does line skipping. DIGIC 5 hopefully adds the lines up and results less aliasing in video, at least reading between the lines this is to be expected from 1DX.
This results not identical video to 60D on any model that uses DIGIC V, but massively better video quality than 60D. All the lack of resolution and detail in the DSLR video is because of line skipping, it has about nothing to do with video compression, 8 bit color space and 4:2:0 coding, instead it is crippled down by reading only few lines from the sensor and that results aliasing that results false detail that results poor real detail and horrible moire.
Unless of course Canon has implemented line skipping for the low end models to justify purchasing top of the line 1 DX. However, someone was claiming that a DIGIC V power shot is making video with less aliasing than any of the DIGIC IV models, so extrapolating from that, if that is true, there should be a massively huge difference in video quality between 60D and 650D, meaning that 60D will be piece of crap for video whereas 650D might be useful. Assuming of course, that the reports about the image scaling algorithm used for video in DIGIC V are truthful.
Regardless of this, it is expected that the quality will not be identical no matter what is the case since DIGIC V does better scaling anyway most likely even if it would be still skipping lines to some extent.
If a DIGIC V camera is going to be released anytime soon, and one has a target to shoot video, it would be a good idea to wait a little. Or if it is important to start shooting now, then the best choice today is 5D mark II which makes the best video out of the Canon cameras currently on market (greatest detail, greatest latitude, least aliasing and moire of the Canon DSLRs currently on market) (C300 does not count because it is not really available yet and it is in a completely different price category).
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