can really do with a 18-70 or 16-70 like Sony's 16-70 F4 lens. very compact, good range, good aperture, decent sharpness....
or a pancake zoom would be good as well.
or a pancake zoom would be good as well.
any new rumors for the next EF-M lens?
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WorkonSunday said:
Wow, I guess I was really out of it yesterday, I thought you said EF-S lens
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WorkonSunday said:
Can't really see that happening. They already have the 18-55 and 55-200. The EF-M lenses are already designed for minimum size... can't really see them getting smaller with larger zoom ranges.
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It is possible that Canon decides to launch an EF-M 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 lens, which is small but not pancake.
As for the pancake zoom lens, this is just a dream. ??? Maybe that dream would be a nightmare EF-M 22-32mm F4.5-5.6 lens. :-\
As for the pancake zoom lens, this is just a dream. ??? Maybe that dream would be a nightmare EF-M 22-32mm F4.5-5.6 lens. :-\
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DRR said:
This. The 3 current zooms are very good in good light for slow/non-moving things. There is a definite need for speed. Three or four fast primes (preferably pancakes) would be most welcome and make the "system" more attractive. I'm not holding my breath though.
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me neither, but one can always hope. ;DRandom Orbits said:
a 16-70 or 18-70 would give a decent walk-around range up to 105mm FF eqv.
fast primes are nice, but i really dont want canon going down the sony path where they lens and body (like A7ii) get bigger and bigger (i also own an A7r) and miss the major advantage of mirrorless. if users want ultimate AF speed and IQ, there are bigger offers from canon other lines. i think they need to make sure the M-line is more flexible/mobile but IQ sits just above bridge/m43 cameras.
the 11-22mm is pretty much perfect in size/IQ/price/weight. 18-55 is good, but i think upping the IQ and range by a bit would make the whole system much more attractive. i dont think going to 70mm would make the lens much bigger as proven by sony's 16-70mm.
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As one of EOS M3 (and M1) owners, I have all four EF-M lenses.
I think we need Macro-lense for filling a blank of EF-M lineup.
Other than that, it's all covered.
We have F2 pancake, wide zoom (which is awesome one), standard zoom and telephoto zoom.
What more do you need for compact system like mirror-less camera?
I think we need Macro-lense for filling a blank of EF-M lineup.
Other than that, it's all covered.
We have F2 pancake, wide zoom (which is awesome one), standard zoom and telephoto zoom.
What more do you need for compact system like mirror-less camera?
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I sold my M (original, pre-firesale) last month. It was a wonderful little camera but it simply wasn't getting used enough to justify keeping it.
My main gripes - no viewfinder, and I didn't really like the ergonomics.
The M3 looks great to me - I wish the EVF was smaller or integrated, but still, a proper grip so you're not holding it with three fingers, is a step in the right direction. I love exposure compensation dial on top.
Still the one thing holding me back is the lens selection. I loved the 22mm pancake. An absolutely incredible lens, especially at that size, cost, and weight. A small 55/1.4 would be the ideal prime to add, IMO. I can shoot all day with 35/85. I don't need another slow zoom. I've heard the IQ across all the native M-mount lenses is excellent. If they could begin to engineer primes I think they're set for the future.
Eventually I think EF-M will replace EF-S and the Rebel line will go mirrorless. It'll take a while for that to fully happen but I don't see a point to EF-S down the road. EF-M with its shorter flange focal distance is going to take over. You can always still mount EF-S or EF with an adapter. But you can't go the "other way" (without a speed booster)
Anyway I guess we'll see what's in the cards. For now I'm very happy with my FF+primes.
My main gripes - no viewfinder, and I didn't really like the ergonomics.
The M3 looks great to me - I wish the EVF was smaller or integrated, but still, a proper grip so you're not holding it with three fingers, is a step in the right direction. I love exposure compensation dial on top.
Still the one thing holding me back is the lens selection. I loved the 22mm pancake. An absolutely incredible lens, especially at that size, cost, and weight. A small 55/1.4 would be the ideal prime to add, IMO. I can shoot all day with 35/85. I don't need another slow zoom. I've heard the IQ across all the native M-mount lenses is excellent. If they could begin to engineer primes I think they're set for the future.
Eventually I think EF-M will replace EF-S and the Rebel line will go mirrorless. It'll take a while for that to fully happen but I don't see a point to EF-S down the road. EF-M with its shorter flange focal distance is going to take over. You can always still mount EF-S or EF with an adapter. But you can't go the "other way" (without a speed booster)
Anyway I guess we'll see what's in the cards. For now I'm very happy with my FF+primes.
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my M3 just arrived. totally love the 11-22 + m3 combo. also using my trusty leica 28-50mm to cover the normal range. both lens are very similar in size and share 55mm filter. rather perfect combo. 
i dont think a pancake zoom is totally out of touch. since the 11-22 needs to be extended before use. they can do the same with the 18-55. so the lens becomes a pancake when not deployed then extend exactly like a 11-22 when turned on. abit like sony's 16-50, panasonic 14-42 PZ, olympus 14-42 EZ. but of course, degraded IQ is expected.
I owned a A6000 + 16-70 before, and i would love to use the same lens on M3. shame the flange distance is the same, otherwise i can wise for a third party adaptor
would love to see the rumored 70-400mm. but i read the patent, the image height is only 13.Xmm which is less than 14.xmm on aps-c. so may be it's for some kind of 1" or m4/3 system.
i dont think a pancake zoom is totally out of touch. since the 11-22 needs to be extended before use. they can do the same with the 18-55. so the lens becomes a pancake when not deployed then extend exactly like a 11-22 when turned on. abit like sony's 16-50, panasonic 14-42 PZ, olympus 14-42 EZ. but of course, degraded IQ is expected.
I owned a A6000 + 16-70 before, and i would love to use the same lens on M3. shame the flange distance is the same, otherwise i can wise for a third party adaptor
would love to see the rumored 70-400mm. but i read the patent, the image height is only 13.Xmm which is less than 14.xmm on aps-c. so may be it's for some kind of 1" or m4/3 system.
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Masa@CanonRMRs said:
Maybe a 2:1 F/2 macro?
Besides that I tend to agree Canon have most of the bases covered for a camera like this, if/when they introduce a higher end M camera then I think the demand for more specialist lenses might increase.
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i own an a6000 with SEL1670z, i must say my m3 with 24-105L AF faster ;D
but of course, DR and continuous shooting is no match, the a6000 EVF is abit better too.
but of course, DR and continuous shooting is no match, the a6000 EVF is abit better too.
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Absolutely with those calling for more fast compact primes. Keep it small.
I guess I would really like to see more EF pancakes at modest prices that all EOS users could utilise, i.e. the shorty forty on an EF-m adaptor isn't too bad size wise...
But if you are going to make more ef-m specific lenses to my mind it makes perfect sense to fit in with the CSC ethos, rather than do a lot of R&D to shrink lenses that already exist in the EF or EF-s mount.
Zooms are never going to be all that compact, especially telezooms.
Something like a fast 24mm equivalent (16mm?) the existing 22mm, the existing 40mm (with a cheaper lighter ef-m converter) and a 70mm (see the pentax 70mm f2.4) would give the traveler or street shooter a nice range of compact lenses to choose from, and may actually give the M the tools to compete with the OM-Ds etc.
I guess I would really like to see more EF pancakes at modest prices that all EOS users could utilise, i.e. the shorty forty on an EF-m adaptor isn't too bad size wise...
But if you are going to make more ef-m specific lenses to my mind it makes perfect sense to fit in with the CSC ethos, rather than do a lot of R&D to shrink lenses that already exist in the EF or EF-s mount.
Zooms are never going to be all that compact, especially telezooms.
Something like a fast 24mm equivalent (16mm?) the existing 22mm, the existing 40mm (with a cheaper lighter ef-m converter) and a 70mm (see the pentax 70mm f2.4) would give the traveler or street shooter a nice range of compact lenses to choose from, and may actually give the M the tools to compete with the OM-Ds etc.
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