any new rumors for the next EF-M lens?

AvTvM said:
neuroanatomist said:
The global MILC market is much smaller than the dSLR market.

Not "the market" per se. Only the fact that neither Canon nor Nikon offer compelling MILCs.

If Canon and Nikon today both would sell fully competitive
* APS-C MILCs covering the range between USD 499 for the low end [basically EOS M3 cperformace and features] and USD 1499 for direct competitors to Samsung NX-1 / Fuji XT-1 competitors ... plus a suitable range of native lenses [EF-M price/performance is excellent, just a few more needed]
- FF MILC system - fully competitive with Sony A7/II/R lenses more compact than Sony FE-lenses
the same instand the MILC market would be 85% and DSLRs would be relegated to 15%.
As simple as that.

You should append that with "that's my assumption, based on no actual evidence of any sort".
 
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neuroanatomist said:
My, that was tedious – like explaining a concept to a 5-year old – but hopefully you understand the point now.

It was quite tedious. And entirely superfluous. And consisting entirely of unwarranted assumptions.

More pictures might have helped my inner 5 year old.

I'm just rattling your cage ever so slightly John, a wee taste of what you do to others.

You don't know what Canon are thinking John. Not that it matters. I think they are gutted that their biggest markets have rejected the camera. But I don't know that. I think they marketed it wrong. And I think to a degree they still are. But somebody else might disagree. But I don't anticipate getting all passive aggressive about it.

You post a hell of a lot John. And you seem to know your 'really right stuff', but I don't see much evidence anywhere else, in your ideas, writing or experience, that make me particularly want to doff my cap at your every utterance. And it seems increasingly, I'm not alone. You don't speak for Canon, and you've little right to speak to some folks the way you do. Your big white lenses might make you the 'daddy' at school sports day, but you just come across as a bit of a bully sometimes.

It's nice to be nice. Even a 5 year old can just about grasp that.

As a business model, not being that bothered about shifting lots of boxes in the worlds largest and most free economy... it's not brilliant.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
untenchicken said:
Tinky said:
neuroanatomist said:
Your big white lenses might make you the 'daddy' at school sports day,

:) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Feel better now? ::)

(Even though you managed to mangle the quotation syntax...maybe that happens when you get too excited.)


I dare you, no DOUBLE dare you not to insist (like a 5 year old!!) to have the last word in this matter…. 8)
 
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Tinky said:
You post a hell of a lot John. And you seem to know your 'really right stuff', but I don't see much evidence anywhere else, in your ideas, writing or experience, that make me particularly want to doff my cap at your every utterance. And it seems increasingly, I'm not alone. You don't speak for Canon, and you've little right to speak to some folks the way you do. Your big white lenses might make you the 'daddy' at school sports day, but you just come across as a bit of a bully sometimes.

It's nice to be nice. Even a 5 year old can just about grasp that.


Amen to that by the way… (hope I didn't screw up the syntax blablabla here again, cause I'm very excited :-[
 
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Back to the original topic...

In recent history, Canon has released more zooms than primes, especially at the consumer level. OTOH, there's the spate of wide non-L IS primes very recently.

Still, I think we likely won't see many more M lenses soon. They've got UWA, standard, and telephoto zooms and a fast prime, which is a reasonable lineup for one body. I wonder how many 18-55 vs 22/2 kits are sold? Canon knows, that could guide the M lens roadmap (or maybe has, thus the two newer zooms).

Pure speculation, but I wonder if the next M lens could be an equivalent to the EF-S 60/2.8 macro, maybe f/3.5 to make it smaller.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Back to the original topic...

In recent history, Canon has released more zooms than primes, especially at the consumer level. OTOH, there's the spate of wide non-L IS primes very recently.

Still, I think we likely won't see many more M lenses soon. They've got UWA, standard, and telephoto zooms and a fast prime, which is a reasonable lineup for one body. I wonder how many 18-55 vs 22/2 kits are sold? Canon knows, that could guide the M lens roadmap (or maybe has, thus the two newer zooms).

Pure speculation, but I wonder if the next M lens could be an equivalent to the EF-S 60/2.8 macro, maybe f/3.5 to make it smaller.


Guess who has the last word after all (in a very sly way) ;)
 
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Tinky said:
neuroanatomist said:
Canon knows, that could guide the M lens roadmap (or maybe has, thus the two newer zooms).

Pure speculation, but I wonder if the next M lens could be an equivalent to the EF-S 60/2.8 macro, maybe f/3.5 to make it smaller.

How do you know they know John? Unwarranted assumption, or that most fallable of fallacies... you have an opinion that you freely wish to express?

I'll give you that courtesy John. I've had my fun. Maybe you'll reflect. Maybe you'll revert. But you can't say that nobody said.


Tinky 'The Dragon Slayer' ;D
 
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Tinky said:
neuroanatomist said:
Canon knows, that could guide the M lens roadmap (or maybe has, thus the two newer zooms).

Pure speculation, but I wonder if the next M lens could be an equivalent to the EF-S 60/2.8 macro, maybe f/3.5 to make it smaller.

How do you know they know John? Unwarranted assumption, or that most fallable of fallacies... you have an opinion that you freely wish to express?

I'll give you that courtesy John. I've had my fun. Maybe you'll reflect. Maybe you'll revert. But you can't say that nobody said.

I wondered how many 18-55 vs. 22/2 kits Canon has sold, and stated that they know. So, you're suggesting that Canon doesn't know how many 18-55 vs 22/2 kits they've sold? Or maybe you're suggesting my assumption that Canon keeps inventory and sales records is unwarranted? Reflect on that, was it courteous? Was it fun?

neuroanatomist said:
I wonder how many 18-55 vs 22/2 kits are sold? Canon knows, that could guide the M lens roadmap (or maybe has, thus the two newer zooms).
 
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untenchicken said:
By the way, were you excited this time neuroanatomist, because you seemed to have messed up your own syntax blablabla this time… :o

No, just reposting the full text of the statement Tinky partially quoted, since he did so in such a way as to change the meaning.
 
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So would I....

But I see their attempt of 22mm lens weird. I hope they will continue with this weirdness. What about 22/f2 - 32/f2 - 52/f2 - 62/f2 lens line? It would be very close to 35-50-85-100mm. Not that much glass, so it doesn´t need to be that expensive as FF counterparts...
 
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untenchicken said:
neuroanatomist said:
untenchicken said:
Tinky said:
neuroanatomist said:
Your big white lenses might make you the 'daddy' at school sports day,

:) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Feel better now? ::)

(Even though you managed to mangle the quotation syntax...maybe that happens when you get too excited.)


I dare you, no DOUBLE dare you not to insist (like a 5 year old!!) to have the last word in this matter…. 8)

I don't see you giving up the last word, either.
 
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An EF-M ~50mm prime (equal or smaller size to the EF 50mm f/1.8 variants) would really round out the existing 4 lens lineup.

But without putting words in Canon's mouth, it sort of feels like it's unlikely they'll put R&D money into it because of the EF to EF-M adapter already giving EOS M shooters a 50mm f/1.8 at their disposal.

However, the prospect of being able to carry a 2nd prime in my pocket sounds great. And that's not possible with an EF lens + adapter.

My next top choice would be a f/2.8 zoom (18-55mm would be fine). But personally, I'm not holding my breath. I'm just thankful they even released an M3 at all.
 
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andrewflo said:
An EF-M ~50mm prime (equal or smaller size to the EF 50mm f/1.8 variants) would really round out the existing 4 lens lineup.

But without putting words in Canon's mouth, it sort of feels like it's unlikely they'll put R&D money into it because of the EF to EF-M adapter already giving EOS M shooters a 50mm f/1.8 at their disposal.

However, the prospect of being able to carry a 2nd prime in my pocket sounds great. And that's not possible with an EF lens + adapter.

My next top choice would be a f/2.8 zoom (18-55mm would be fine). But personally, I'm not holding my breath. I'm just thankful they even released an M3 at all.

I got the Voigtlander f1.5 leica M mount with the fotodiox leicaM-EosM mount. It makes a great portrait lens for the eos-M3.

you can see this Battle of the Bokeh's Here..

http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?p=217
 
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