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roombarobot said:
You can just look here
http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-600d-vs-Nikon-D5100
Image quality of the D5100 is indeed superior to that of the 600D, but I expect the t4i/650D will be much better simply because technology is there, so why not to use it?
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Wow, there is so much out there it is hard for me to digest it all!
I have mostly been a Canon-guy, I have had several PowerShots, my Rebel XTi, and an s95, so I do really like Canon. I've never owned a Nikon, but I don't know what to make of this:
http://testcams.com/blog/2011/05/03/nikon-dx-vs-canon-aps-c-dynamic-range/
Do you all believe it?
I have mostly been a Canon-guy, I have had several PowerShots, my Rebel XTi, and an s95, so I do really like Canon. I've never owned a Nikon, but I don't know what to make of this:
http://testcams.com/blog/2011/05/03/nikon-dx-vs-canon-aps-c-dynamic-range/
Do you all believe it?
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roombarobot said:
The noise levels in the Canon look right - I get the same when I push things too far in post. I don't have a camera with a newer Sony sensor so I do not know whether they Nikon's performance is kosher. On the cause of it he said:
[he's talking about noise visible in heavily underexposed parts of a photo that have been pushed 5 stops in post. Rebel users will recognise it; red blotchiness coupled with a crosshatch pattern or grid. About 3 minutes in to the second video, though I recommend people watch all three]
"The crosshatch pattern is caused because the individual channels on the Canon body [think he's talking about the sensor] are not perfectly matched and so, outside of the difference of noise that you can see in those channels, the difference in actual signals and how they are read off the sensor is different and that's what creates this repeating cross hatch pattern of these vertical and horizontal lines.
Some of the noise levels for these different channels are dipping below the threshold of what the RAW processor in lightroom can actually produce to recreate the colour and that's what's causing the blotchiness in this case."
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I cant careless about the T4i. Why would you?
It is not a camera to "upgrade to". It is a camera that one gets when starting photography. And is also the camera to get ripped off on. If you want to start photography, get a second hand 450D. If you want video, get a 550D second hand. Put all the money into lenses.
These new 600D, 650Ds are there to tempt noobs into photography. Not for someone whos already got a dslr to get. If you do, that makes you ultra noob.
It is not a camera to "upgrade to". It is a camera that one gets when starting photography. And is also the camera to get ripped off on. If you want to start photography, get a second hand 450D. If you want video, get a 550D second hand. Put all the money into lenses.
These new 600D, 650Ds are there to tempt noobs into photography. Not for someone whos already got a dslr to get. If you do, that makes you ultra noob.
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Adobespain said:
I'm not a xxxD user, but I wouldn't buy one for the sole reason that the model cycle is so fast your body is outdated once you got used to it. Before anyone says it: Yes, of course everyone can be happy with an older body. But buying a lens or body for a regular price, knowing the replacement is around the corner is somewhat strange.
Thus, I wouldn't mind if Canon would stretch their cycles a little and offer real, solid innovations over marketing features that mainly seem to be made to give a body an identity in the product lineup.
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I cant understand why people upgrade from rebel A to rebel B anyway. They're supposed to be an step into the world of DSLR photography. You make ur experieces with the Rebel and one day when u learned enough its time to step up a level by going Full Frame or at least choose the best APS-C there is in that time.
But going from beginner cam to....another..beginner cam? seriously? There must be _really_ good reasons for that. Makes a lot more sense to buy good lenses instead of updating the rebel cam. Or just save for 5d mk2/3
But going from beginner cam to....another..beginner cam? seriously? There must be _really_ good reasons for that. Makes a lot more sense to buy good lenses instead of updating the rebel cam. Or just save for 5d mk2/3
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I recently upgraded from 350D to 60D. Could just as well have upgraded from 350D to 600D really, sensor-wise at least (exact same sensor in 600D, 60D and 7D). The only thing the 60D offers on top of the 600D is some weathersealing (which you might not need), higher burst rate and more cross-type AF points. If I wouldn't want to do sports photography, the 600D would have been plenty. Upgrading to it from the 350D makes a lot of sense. 2,5x resolution increase, 2 stops higher ISO capability (ISO expansion not included), video functionality (350D had none), larger (swivel-type) LCD screen, flash master functionality...sandymandy said:
If you're coming from something like the 350D and sports isn't your priority, then the first significant upgrade beyond the 600D is the 5D mk2. But its price is about 3x as high. So if you're budget-limited, upgrading from a rebel to another can be a very worthwhile decision. Rebels can be very far apart, especially with the introduction of video.
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... and a back dial and a top lcd display - since I am used to these from the good ol' analog days, I wouldn't want to miss them and depend more on them than the other advantages of the 60d you mentioned.Tijn said:
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Tijn said:
Well the 350D was released 2005 and the 600D 2011. Thats 6 years difference. Of course theres many things that happen in 6 years.
For me, Marsu42s post sounded like he feels under pressure to buy a new Rebel every year so he doesnt miss certain features. But i think thats not the case.
Imho i think in the future mirrorless will be the way to go. I dont see any company bringing something super revolutionary to the normal DSLR market anymore.
I think the first time u get a DSLR is the most important moment. And u can just use ANY DSLR nowadays to get good photos. The higher models dont do stuff that u cant do with a rebel too. They just do it better.
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If u can wait 6 years for upgrading ur camera i think u can also save money for a full frame body in the same time
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I just sold my Rebel XTi and am now looking at the D5100 or the upcoming T4i. Those cameras offer a lot more than my old Rebel did. The sensors and other technology has greatly improved in the years and 5 models since.
Sure, I could try to save for a full-frame or higher level camera, but at this time I am not shooting enough to justify that large of an expense in my opinion.
Sure, I could try to save for a full-frame or higher level camera, but at this time I am not shooting enough to justify that large of an expense in my opinion.
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Thats like 5 years technology difference again. Sure it makes a bigger difference. I just mean if u got a 600d now and tomorrow the 650d will be released then it wont make a difference in ur image quality. The next 1-2 years u dont miss anything for sure.
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I think when Canon releases their rebel upgrades so "often" it actually gives me more time to wait for upgrading my camera. The faster they release new models the less new features they gonna have.
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sandymandy said:
I've got a 60d, so I don't feel pressured since the xxD cycle is slower, and when the 70d arrives in 2013 my shutter will be broken anyway.
But still, the xxxD cycle seems to put pressure on people because - or there wouldn't be so many "get the 600d now or wait for the 650d" posts. I can understand that, because as I remember people feeling silly for getting a 550d and then the 600d arrives a couple of months later. And if people wouldn't care about the minor changes in the xxxD line, we wouldn't be reading this post.
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buster84 said:
The Nikon D7000 in my personal opinion is nowhere near a good a camera as the 7D . In manual mode, all modern cameras are as roughly as good.
Where the D7000 wins: Low light is good in Jpeg in the D7000 (i'm assuming the built in noise reduction is pretty good) but RAW - its the same as the 7D .
Where the 7D wins : But in AV and TV modes , the D7000 seems to get it wrong . A lot of indoor shots end up with longer than needed shutter in AV mode and in TV everything is unnecesarily shallow and blury even at the same ISO as the 7D.
I know this is anecdotal evidence and I dont have test shots to prove this but i get to play with a D7000 often and I hate it. Even the ergonomics suck.
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If you go back through the Canon’s release timing from the 10D/ 300D, the xxD has always come out months before the xxxD. Of course there is one extra xxxD release in that timeline, the 550D, but Canon’s first articulating display in a DSLR was the 60D, which came out before the 600D. Why would Canon release a $700 camera before giving everyone how wants the latest model a chance to buy the $1,000 version? Based on that information, I think the next aps-c Canon would not be an xxxD.
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