APS-C Canon EOS R body likely [CR2]

[Arod820]

I really hope an APSC-R happens, it just makes sense. People need affordable B cameras. Havin an R or R pro coupled with a 7d equivalent on a long lens is crucial for wedding photogs. As for the M line I think that’s your bread and butter beginner market ie T6i. What would you rather buy, a t2-7i or a m5?

 

[Memirsbrunnr]

One thing that comes to mind is the following, if you want to entice people to buy into the R system, you need a cheap apc R version where people can ease into the R glass. When you have heavily invested into M glass i see a very difficult upgrade åath, as for the enthusiast it will be too difficult/expensive
to switch

 

[mirage]

you cannot be "heavily invested" in EF-M lenses, since they are (relatively) inexpensive. All of them together are a lot less money than a single RF 50/1.2.

No real problem, if there is no technical "upgrade path" to EOS R. folks able to spend a couple grand on an EOS R with expensive RF lenses can easily afford to sell an entire EOS M set and loose a few bucks on it.

 

[mirage]

One thing that comes to mind is the following, if you want to entice people to buy into the R system, you need a cheap apc R version where people can ease into the R glass.

nope. it needs
1. less expensive EOS R cameras (with FF sensor)
and
2. less exotic, less expensive RF lenses (FF image circle).

Canon will launch both - eventually. If still too expensive, then it is budget-friendly "EOS M land" waiting in "crop-sensor universe".

 

[mirage]

What would you rather buy, a t2-7i or a m5?

none. EOS M50.

would also take M50 for only 500 $/€ over 80D or 7D II any day. Unless I was heavily into birds, wildlife, sports, fast action, long tele-lens stuff.

 

[dave61]

To be successful in the mirrorless space Canon needs a range of cameras that provide a path for amateurs to gradually upgrade their equipment from entry level (for me: a 450D and a couple of EF-S lenses nearly 15 years ago) to prosumer (EOS-R and mostly L glass). That means at least one and possibly two models that are cheaper than the R, and cheaper lenses too. An APS-C body and maybe RF-S lenses are the obvious ways to reduce the cost, and differentiate from more expensive gear.

 

[BillB]

One thing that comes to mind is the following, if you want to entice people to buy into the R system, you need a cheap apc R version where people can ease into the R glass. When you have heavily invested into M glass i see a very difficult upgrade åath, as for the enthusiast it will be too difficult/expensive
to switch

The common denominator is EF, for what that is worth

 

[mirage]

. An APS-C body and maybe RF-S lenses are the obvious ways to reduce the cost, and differentiate from more expensive gear.

that is taken care of very well by EOS M lineup.

 

[tron]

There is really no reason for someone into APS-C or M series to change system. Their needs are covered quite adequately and I cannot find any reason for someone to pay more to mere go into an APS-C R system (apart from psychological reasons of some few of course who define anything newer better...).

 

[zim]

To be successful in the mirrorless space Canon needs a range of cameras that provide a path for amateurs to gradually upgrade their equipment from entry level (for me: a 450D and a couple of EF-S lenses nearly 15 years ago) to prosumer (EOS-R and mostly L glass). That means at least one and possibly two models that are cheaper than the R, and cheaper lenses too. An APS-C body and maybe RF-S lenses are the obvious ways to reduce the cost, and differentiate from more expensive gear.

No need for RF-S lenses, cheaper smaller RF lenses will happen. How many of those EF-S lenses are you still using and when did you stop using them? I bet Canon have a lot of data regarding lens purchasing trends.

 

[degos]

i don't see a "7D class EOS R with crop sensor" but expect Canon to keep EOS R series "FF only". It is all about R mount, which would be "wasted on a crop sensor".

I see more 7D2s with 500 / 600 / 150-600mm EFs mounted than I do EF-S. Actually I don't know any 7D2 shooters who even bother with EF-S.

Is that a waste of EF mount? Not at all.

 

[aceflibble]

This is the most "no shit" 'rumour' possible. Of course there's going to be an APS-C R camera. The RF is going to replace the EF line across the board; mirrorless versions of every existing EF camera are completely inevitable. Some will happen in this next year, some others may take 5 years, and a few extremes (the absolute cheapest entry-level bodies and the 1D) might not be fully replaced for 6-8 years, but it's all going to be swapped out at some point or another. Of those, getting a cheaper (i.e. APS-C) option out ASAP is by far the most obvious and logical choice.

In other news, sources tell us the sky should be blue tomorrow, while grass remains green for at least the rest of the week.

 

[brad-man]

This is the most "no shit" 'rumour' possible. Of course there's going to be an APS-C R camera. The RF is going to replace the EF line across the board; mirrorless versions of every existing EF camera are completely inevitable. Some will happen in this next year, some others may take 5 years, and a few extremes (the absolute cheapest entry-level bodies and the 1D) might not be fully replaced for 6-8 years, but it's all going to be swapped out at some point or another. Of those, getting a cheaper (i.e. APS-C) option out ASAP is by far the most obvious and logical choice.

In other news, sources tell us the sky should be blue tomorrow, while grass remains green for at least the rest of the week.

Isn't it astounding how something can be so obvious to some and so illusive to others...

 

[Bob Howland]

I see more 7D2s with 500 / 600 / 150-600mm EFs mounted than I do EF-S. Actually I don't know any 7D2 shooters who even bother with EF-S.

Is that a waste of EF mount? Not at all.

Although I'm a generation behind, that is certainly how I use my 7D. I don't even own an EF-S lens.

So why couldn't Canon introduce a 50MP, 9FPS FF camera that could also crop to a 19MP, 24FPS APS-C camera and bin pixels 2x2 to create a 12.5MP, 24FPS FF Lord of Darkness camera? Would that make a worthy replacement for the 1Dx2 at the 2020 Summer Olympics?

 

[neonlight]

I agree with him .. (aceflibble) that there will be an APS-C R and I suspect one model will be a 7DII replacement/upgrade. It would use all EF/EF_S glass (I still use my older 18-135 and 10-22 though most of the time my 7DII has a 100-400 on it).
There might be an entry level APS-C R model but much later (Canon will surely prioritise a Pro body and the 7D earlier), but that does seem less likely to attract M-system users.
And as R/RF will be Canon's future then I also think we will see cheaper APS-C RF lenses.

 

[scyrene]

Why can't you make a lower cost lens for the R mount that has a smaller image circle?

You could, but it would add an extra layer of complexity. Either they call it RF and then have to explain in the small print that it doesn't give the FL/FOV you expect, or they create yet another line of lenses ("RF-S"). Casual consumers are already confused enough (the Amazon page for pretty much every Canon lens has dozens of questions 'can I use this on X camera?', even EF lenses on EOS DSLRs ). Mind you, Canon has surprised me before, I'm no marketing guru.

To me, the whole idea of a crop R body is weird. You can already mount EF-S lenses on the FF one. Creating a sub line of APS-C R bodies/lenses seems like unnecessary complication.

 

[Don Haines]

You could, but it would add an extra layer of complexity. Either they call it RF and then have to explain in the small print that it doesn't give the FL/FOV you expect, or they create yet another line of lenses ("RF-S"). Casual consumers are already confused enough (the Amazon page for pretty much every Canon lens has dozens of questions 'can I use this on X camera?', even EF lenses on EOS DSLRs ). Mind you, Canon has surprised me before, I'm no marketing guru.

To me, the whole idea of a crop R body is weird. You can already mount EF-S lenses on the FF one. Creating a sub line of APS-C R bodies/lenses seems like unnecessary complication.

Yeah, it’s weird, but I know nothing about marketing either.....

Another thing I would expect to eventually see are some pancakes...... that would make a light and compact package!

 

[Memirsbrunnr]

Although I'm a generation behind, that is certainly how I use my 7D. I don't even own an EF-S lens.

So why couldn't Canon introduce a 50MP, 9FPS FF camera that could also crop to a 19MP, 24FPS APS-C camera and bin pixels 2x2 to create a 12.5MP, 24FPS FF Lord of Darkness camera? Would that make a worthy replacement for the 1Dx2 at the 2020 Summer Olympics?

They could but it would be an extremely expensive body to deliver a 20 MPish cutout from a very high resolution sensor- that is why most people bought a 7D instead of a 1dx. Bcause it should at the sae time be great at high resolution FF shots and lower resolution apsc shots. Bringing it firmly in the 1dx price bracket it would be cheaper to buy a EOS R and a EOS r7 and have wo more specialised bodies to chose from

 

[dave61]

that is taken care of very well by EOS M lineup.

There is no upgrade path from M to R.

 

[dave61]

No need for RF-S lenses, cheaper smaller RF lenses will happen. How many of those EF-S lenses are you still using and when did you stop using them? I bet Canon have a lot of data regarding lens purchasing trends.

They certainly need cheaper lenses, whether under RF-S brand or not.