Best Flash

[alben]

I already had a 430exII, so decided to go down the route of two Phottix Odin radio recievers and an on camera trigger, I have since acquired a Phottix Mitros flash (similar spec to the Canon 580) The receivers and triggers were £300 the flash £200 ( a mint demo unit ) they all work flawlessly.

Alan

 

[Deleted member 42026]

I personally would rate Metz at the top, they could be worth a look too. Very good flashes. I almost brought the top one but got a 52 af-1 instead. Touch screen, works like a charm as optical slave from the 7D and better than the canon 430. Big bit cheaper than a 600rt or the metz 58 af-1. Touch screen too. I'd look at those before other third party flashes.

How's the touchscreen of the 52? I own the 50 and would like to add the 52 because it can be used as a master (50 is slave only)

+1 for Metz.

If you need more synch possibilities, a Phottix Mitros might be an alternative.
Again, it all boils down to how you want to use the flash:
on/off camera, radio/light-of-sight/cable synch, ttl?
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Zero complaints of the touchscreen on the 52, the flash is a gem.

 

[m]

@ Daniell:
as expected, nice.

but "you need an additional sender to talk to the remote flash" is not true, that is the part I was addressing.

That quote is out of context. I think I made my point pretty clear in the whole sentence:

The 7D has built in off camera flash control via line of sight.
If this is not sufficient and you need the radio remote (going the 600 way) keep in mind that you need an additional sender to talk to the remote flash.

I see how this is off topic and I apologies for that, but as a non native English speaker I would like to know what makes my post ambiguous.

 

[Halfrack]

Or is there no such thing as overkill in this hobby?

Basically, all of these flashes can be turned down, it's more of a matter of being able it up to max. +1 on the 600's, even setup an alert when they show up refurb on Canon's site.

Overkill may be a Profoto B1, but that depends on how many you have working together

 

[ScottyP]

The Phottix Mitros+ flashes (the "plus" is important) has a well-respected Phottix Odin transmitter and receiver built into it. It does a couple of things the Canon 600 can't do, including second curtain sync off-camera. It is somewhat less money, though not as much less as before the Canons recently started appearing at cut rates.

 

[privatebydesign]

The Phottix Mitros+ flashes (the "plus" is important) has a well-respected Phottix Odin transmitter and receiver built into it. It does a couple of things the Canon 600 can't do, including second curtain sync off-camera. It is somewhat less money, though not as much less as before the Canons recently started appearing at cut rates.

The Canon RT system can do second curtain sync if you trigger it with a Yongnuo YN-E3-RT, but as ScottyP points out, not natively. Though I have yet to see a good example where off camera second curtain sync has been critical.

There is a huge amount of misinformation out there about all the various flash products, including the Canon RT system. Like Alex thinking the RT could not sync at 1/8000, or that you lose one stop of sync speed, or that you can't do remote second curtain sync, that the 600-EX-RT is not backwards compatible, etc etc.

As far as I know the RT system is the only hotshoe flash based radio system that has five independent groups, nobody else does.

When I was looking to move to a radio based full control flash system the Odin's were the only other decent game in town, Phottix have subsequently greatly strengthened that line with the integrated Mitros+, but at $399 they are not "cheap", a mere $50 or so less than the Canon.

One of the many reasons I ended up getting the Canon's was the peace of mind in knowing future compatibility, and potential resale value, would never be an issue.

I use flash a lot, and despite the cost I believe, even given the vast array of third party options and the other flashes in the Canon range, the 600-EX-RT would be the most appropriate flash for 14thegipper, though I don't believe it would be the most appropriate for everybody.

 

[ScottyP]

The Phottix Mitros+ flashes (the "plus" is important) has a well-respected Phottix Odin transmitter and receiver built into it. It does a couple of things the Canon 600 can't do, including second curtain sync off-camera. It is somewhat less money, though not as much less as before the Canons recently started appearing at cut rates.

The Canon RT system can do second curtain sync if you trigger it with a Yongnuo YN-E3-RT, but as ScottyP points out, not natively. Though I have yet to see a good example where off camera second curtain sync has been critical.

There is a huge amount of misinformation out there about all the various flash products, including the Canon RT system. Like Alex thinking the RT could not sync at 1/8000, or that you lose one stop of sync speed, or that you can't do remote second curtain sync, that the 600-EX-RT is not backwards compatible, etc etc.

Ok, but it is mot misinformation that it can't do 2nd curtain sync. You can't to it using a 600 in the shoe, and you can't use it using its Canon trigger. The fact that Yongnuo recently put out a knockoff that lets it work does not really count, does it? If anything, That would be saying Yongnuo can do it.

 

[Marsu42]

The Canon RT system can do second curtain sync if you trigger it with a Yongnuo YN-E3-RT, but as ScottyP points out, not natively. Though I have yet to see a good example where off camera second curtain sync has been critical.

That's certainly beneficial and I'm looking forward to try it once my Yongnuo arrives, but afaik all flashes have to be set to m mode for it to work?

 

[privatebydesign]

The Phottix Mitros+ flashes (the "plus" is important) has a well-respected Phottix Odin transmitter and receiver built into it. It does a couple of things the Canon 600 can't do, including second curtain sync off-camera. It is somewhat less money, though not as much less as before the Canons recently started appearing at cut rates.

The Canon RT system can do second curtain sync if you trigger it with a Yongnuo YN-E3-RT, but as ScottyP points out, not natively. Though I have yet to see a good example where off camera second curtain sync has been critical.

There is a huge amount of misinformation out there about all the various flash products, including the Canon RT system. Like Alex thinking the RT could not sync at 1/8000, or that you lose one stop of sync speed, or that you can't do remote second curtain sync, that the 600-EX-RT is not backwards compatible, etc etc.

Ok, but it is mot misinformation that it can't do 2nd curtain sync. You can't to it using a 600 in the shoe, and you can't use it using its Canon trigger. The fact that Yongnuo recently put out a knockoff that lets it work does not really count, does it? If anything, That would be saying Yongnuo can do it.

You see, another piece of misinformation (or poorly worded correct information), you absolutely can use a 600-EX-RT in the hotshoe in second curtain sync, you cannot control remote flashes with the 600 in the shoe and use SCS, but they are two different things.

As for it being Yongnuo that enabled remote SCS in M mode, well I wasn't picking sides, just pointing out capabilities. If you need SCS I was pointing out a way you could do it, but I'd hardly call that a Yongnuo doing it, lets face it they don't have a flash that works with their own trigger, so it is very much a combined effort, Canon can't do it by itself, neither can Youngnuo. But then I thought I covered that by saying " not natively" in my last post.

 

[cayenne]

I have:
7D
24-105 f/4
70/200 2.8 II

Is the Speedlite 600 overkill?

Or is there no such thing as overkill in this hobby?

Thanks!!

I have 2x of the 600RT's....and love them. I set up email notification from cannonpricewatch.com and I snared a couple of refurb 600's from the canon site for $373....

I just ordered the Yongnuo (sp?) knockoff of the ST-RT-E3 (sp?) controller...so, when it gets in, I'll now have both those 600's off camera and no need of a sync cable to one of them...all radio goodness all the time!!


I'm looking for my 3rd 600 when a deal pops up.

I got this modifer for one speedlight and love it.am using a rogue flash bender set up on the 2nd one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QXZ7OS/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

(although I could swear I got it MUCH cheaper when I got mine).

Radio flash is fun....pricey but fun. The Yongnuo controller is said to be just as good or better than the Canon unit.
They are also putting out a 600RT clone, but I've not heard anything about it yet. What's cool is, if they've cracked the Canon radio protocols....other companies can too..and perhaps it might become somewhat of a "standard" and all remotes can work off it?

Ok..just daydreaming here at the end..haha

Cayenne

 

[RLPhoto]

600rt is a bomb of a flashgun. Save for it and you won't regret it. (I only spent 373$ for refurbs. I have 5 of them now.)

As long as you don't need more power or 2nd curtain sync off camera. I'd add a soft lighter to your order. It makes stunning light.