Can the new 7d mark ii challenge the 1d mark iv?
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Clearly you must have an interest in the topic or you would not have made it. What are YOU views on this?
Clearly you must have an interest in the topic or you would not have made it. What are YOU views on this?
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The 1d mark iv is no longer in canon's product list. With its Aps-h sensor and high burst rate and quite good iso performance it was a good body for wildlife and sport. You can still find used ones but there are quute pricy. Regarding the specs of the 7d mk ii it seems to be a good challenger to the old 1d iv for quite a fair price.
But how far could it be better? Or is the 1d iv still the best?
The 1d mark iv is no longer in canon's product list. With its Aps-h sensor and high burst rate and quite good iso performance it was a good body for wildlife and sport. You can still find used ones but there are quute pricy. Regarding the specs of the 7d mk ii it seems to be a good challenger to the old 1d iv for quite a fair price.
But how far could it be better? Or is the 1d iv still the best?
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The questions is not "Can the new 7d mark ii challenge the 1d mark iv?"
Of course it can.
The question is "What will be the results when new 7d mark ii challenges the 1d mark iv."
For me I will do the challenge in November.
I could speculate, but at this point once it arrives I will know the old fashion way. Hands On.(if Canon delivers)
Of course it can.
The question is "What will be the results when new 7d mark ii challenges the 1d mark iv."
For me I will do the challenge in November.
I could speculate, but at this point once it arrives I will know the old fashion way. Hands On.(if Canon delivers)
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Going by the IR Comparometer there's not much IQ difference, but the 7D2 does have less color noise at high ISO (I compared both at ISO 100 and 6400). The 7D2 has a slight resolution edge (not really visible in JPEG) and a slight high ISO edge (especially once you shrink down to 16 MP), but only slight.
Features? If you don't care about the crop difference (some people really liked APS-H) then I think the 7D2 takes this. 7D2 will have iTR tracking, more cross points, and lower light AF capability. It also has a larger buffer.
Still, if I owned a 1D4 I wouldn't necessarily run out and sell it to buy the 7D2. (Well...I might because I don't like the size and weight of the 1D bodies.) It's a testament to the 1D4 that it holds up so well against today's lineup.
Features? If you don't care about the crop difference (some people really liked APS-H) then I think the 7D2 takes this. 7D2 will have iTR tracking, more cross points, and lower light AF capability. It also has a larger buffer.
Still, if I owned a 1D4 I wouldn't necessarily run out and sell it to buy the 7D2. (Well...I might because I don't like the size and weight of the 1D bodies.) It's a testament to the 1D4 that it holds up so well against today's lineup.
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I own the 1D mkIV and I'm always excited to go out shooting with that body. I mount it to a 600 f4 on an Induro tripod so weight literally means nothing. The camera performance at 10 fps is totally primo for wildlife. The 7D would be nice with an H sensor putting it into a true pro category.
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coreyhkh
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I own a 1dmkiv but I am extremely excited to get my hands on the new 7D with the new AF system, having used both the 5Dmk3 and 1dx the new generation system performs a lot better then the one in the mkiv. I photograph wildlife and I consider AF the most important.
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I think that the 7DII will be a little noisier at higher ISO, but that the luminance noise it generates will be easier to clean up in post and still retain detail. I think that the PP'd images will be better quality. Of course... just speculation at this point.
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Since AF is number one with me. I google translated the interview with the engineers that designed the AF system and other parts at: http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20140930_667620.html
Pretty tough to read, but what I got out of it is. If you are using F/2.8 or F/4.0 lenses the AF module is much better in the Idx and 5D III. If using slower lenses. What I get out of it is. It will be a little better with the 7D II because of the spread of the points.
Interesting is the target for this camera also. Amateur, and some pro's. IMO it falls exactly where the original 7D did.
You should read it if interested. This is what I got out of it. I hope I am wrong.
Since I only have 2 Canon lenses one is F/2.8 and one is F/4. It looks like the Mark IV will be my camera for a long time.
Pretty tough to read, but what I got out of it is. If you are using F/2.8 or F/4.0 lenses the AF module is much better in the Idx and 5D III. If using slower lenses. What I get out of it is. It will be a little better with the 7D II because of the spread of the points.
Interesting is the target for this camera also. Amateur, and some pro's. IMO it falls exactly where the original 7D did.
You should read it if interested. This is what I got out of it. I hope I am wrong.
Since I only have 2 Canon lenses one is F/2.8 and one is F/4. It looks like the Mark IV will be my camera for a long time.
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Now the 7D mark ii have been out for more than a week, I would like to see comments from people that have both bodies.
The 1D mark iv is getting well offered on classified now. Is it worth picking up over the 7D mark ii for similar or even less than a new 7D mark II?
I'm interested on photo quality at iso 6400. Autofocus comparaison etc....
Thanks!
The 1D mark iv is getting well offered on classified now. Is it worth picking up over the 7D mark ii for similar or even less than a new 7D mark II?
I'm interested on photo quality at iso 6400. Autofocus comparaison etc....
Thanks!
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bgosselin said:
Been looking all over the internet for a while for direct comparisons and not seeing them anywhere. It seems super weird to me to see a ton of comparisons between the 7DII and the 7D (shockingly, it turns out the the 7DII is better in literally every way, crazy as that sounds) but nothing between the much more similar 7DII and 1D4.
So, I'm also interested in any comments from anyone who has both or has seen any articles/blog posts/reviews that compare the two.
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I'm very glad you started this thread--thank you! I've been wondering the same thing and I'd love to see a direct comparison. Lots of comparisons with the original 7D and the 5D Mark III, but I think the 1D IV comparison is one a LOT of people want to see.
I think the IQ will be fairly comparable, although it may still be up in the air as to which one will handle noise better. I was hoping Bryan Carnathan's noise chart for the 7D II would include the 1D IV, but the initial one doesn't (perhaps when he reviews it he will expand the list). I think AF will favour the 7D Mark II, although the 1D IV is certainly no slouch in the AF department! And they shoot at the same rate and have similar buffers.
My guess is that the presence of the 7D II will really deflate the price of the 1D IV regardless. They've been holding their price quite well, but I think we'll really start to see them dropping to sub two grand prices on Ebay and other sites as pressure from the new camera begins to exert itself, which will push the prices of the other 1D's down substantially as well. Average prices for the 1D III have fallen to less than a grand over the past year (a year ago they went for around $1500) and I think you'll be able to find lots of 1D IV's for around $1500-$2000 inside of a few months, if not sooner, so if the 1D4 is your dream camera, watch for deals!
I think the IQ will be fairly comparable, although it may still be up in the air as to which one will handle noise better. I was hoping Bryan Carnathan's noise chart for the 7D II would include the 1D IV, but the initial one doesn't (perhaps when he reviews it he will expand the list). I think AF will favour the 7D Mark II, although the 1D IV is certainly no slouch in the AF department! And they shoot at the same rate and have similar buffers.
My guess is that the presence of the 7D II will really deflate the price of the 1D IV regardless. They've been holding their price quite well, but I think we'll really start to see them dropping to sub two grand prices on Ebay and other sites as pressure from the new camera begins to exert itself, which will push the prices of the other 1D's down substantially as well. Average prices for the 1D III have fallen to less than a grand over the past year (a year ago they went for around $1500) and I think you'll be able to find lots of 1D IV's for around $1500-$2000 inside of a few months, if not sooner, so if the 1D4 is your dream camera, watch for deals!
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Marauder said:I think you'll be able to find lots of 1D IV's for around $1500-$2000 inside of a few months, if not sooner, so if the 1D4 is your dream camera, watch for deals!
Look at ebay completed listings. There are already several 1D4's that have sold for under $2K in the last few days. The average price seems to be below $2300 at this point. I'm half tempted to sell off my 1D4 while I can still get more for it than the 7DII costs but, you know, I don't know if its worth it or not. My guess though is that the 1D4 will drop quickly in the next couple of months until its about the same price, on average, as the 7DII and then the used price will trend along with that camera. At least, that's what the 1DIII was doing for a long while
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Steve said:Marauder said:I think you'll be able to find lots of 1D IV's for around $1500-$2000 inside of a few months, if not sooner, so if the 1D4 is your dream camera, watch for deals!
Look at ebay completed listings. There are already several 1D4's that have sold for under $2K in the last few days. The average price seems to be below $2300 at this point. I'm half tempted to sell off my 1D4 while I can still get more for it than the 7DII costs but, you know, I don't know if its worth it or not. My guess though is that the 1D4 will drop quickly in the next couple of months until its about the same price, on average, as the 7DII and then the used price will trend along with that camera. At least, that's what the 1DIII was doing for a long while
Yeah, I think you are correct. It will drop to the same price as the 7D2 or lower.
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Its a great time to buy a 1D MK IV. Its a much better camera, and prices will rise once the hype over the 7D MK II settles in.
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Out of the camera jpgs the 7D II has less noise.
The 7D has a small resolution edge with out of the camera jpgs and same settings cropped.
The 1D IV has the better AF system to drive the big tele's, if your not shooting big tele's you probably will not notice.
The 7D II on the big lenses is a battery hog.
Waiting on LR to release an update so I can compare processed.
I wouldn't sell your 1D IV's yet, the 7D files may be all they can be with not much improvement in PP.
The 7D has a small resolution edge with out of the camera jpgs and same settings cropped.
The 1D IV has the better AF system to drive the big tele's, if your not shooting big tele's you probably will not notice.
The 7D II on the big lenses is a battery hog.
Waiting on LR to release an update so I can compare processed.
I wouldn't sell your 1D IV's yet, the 7D files may be all they can be with not much improvement in PP.
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