Can the new 7d mark ii challenge the 1d mark iv?

[Steve]

So I got down to Ye Olde Camera Shoppe and tried out the 7DII for a bit. Obviously I couldn't give it a thorough comparison with my 1D4 but there was certainly a lot to like. The AF did seem pretty great considering what I was able to point it at in store and just out front. It worked really well with my 300-800, possibly better than the 1D4.

One question for the 7DII owners - can you configure the AF to prioritize the center AF point in Auto-Point select? My 1D4 and 1DIIn both lock on to whatever is in the center of the frame in Auto Select unless I specifically move the point elsewhere. I don't mean that I have the center point selected - I mean that in full auto select the 1D series will focus on the center first. The 7DII just picks up whatever is closest with whatever AF point which is annoying when trying to focus on anything that isn't the closest thing to the camera.

 

[expatinasia]

Personally, not only do I think they are both aimed at quite different markets, but I also think it very much depends on what you are used to.

For me, once you get used to the 1 series it is difficult to move away. I like the size, weight, quality and the way it balances perfectly when using big white lenses.

If I was forced to choose between the 7D ii and the 1D Mark IV I would choose the 1D Mark IV.

 

[2n10]

Personally, not only do I think they are both aimed at quite different markets, but I also think it very much depends on what you are used to.

For me, once you get used to the 1 series it is difficult to move away. I like the size, weight, quality and the way it balances perfectly when using big white lenses.

If I was forced to choose between the 7D ii and the 1D Mark IV I would choose the 1D Mark IV.

Throw a battery grip on the 7D2 and size, weight and balance is probably about the same. Quality we would need your description of quality. The 7D2's weather proofing is second to the 1DX, it has an all magnesium frame as does the battery grip from Canon. There is about 1 stop better ISO performance on the 1DIV and a shallower DOF due to the larger sensor.

 

[DWM]

Personally, not only do I think they are both aimed at quite different markets,

I'm not sure what you are considering different markets because everybody I know with either camera or even the original 7d use them for exactly the same thing. Which is primarily sports/wildlife. What separates the two cameras market is mainly price and not how they are used. Therefore in my opinion a comparison between the two is very important. Even if the 1d Mk iv is no longer in production there is a lot of them available on the used market.

 

[NancyP]

They are two different markets because of the price differential. Maybe that price differential will drop a bit. Otherwise, same uses.

 

[bgosselin]

Throw a battery grip on the 7D2 and size, weight and balance is probably about the same. Quality we would need your description of quality. The 7D2's weather proofing is second to the 1DX, it has an all magnesium frame as does the battery grip from Canon. There is about 1 stop better ISO performance on the 1DIV and a shallower DOF due to the larger sensor.

1 Stop better ISO for the 1D IV? That seem like a lot. I was actually thinking that the 7D mark II was maybe better at worst equal to the 1D IV.

Your comments is base on your own finding or by reading reviews?

You compared RAW files? Or jpeg? The 7D mark II with it's processing power should get very good jpeg out of the camera.

 

[DWM]

But the price difference isn't really that much now. They can be bought for 500-800 more. Yes that is a good chunk of money but not enough to put it in completely different market. When the mk4 was in the $3000 range I would agree it was different price market. My guess is by the end of the year it will be less than $500 difference.

 

[DominoDude]

I think that the fact that we are now considering to compare the IQ and functionality/usefullness of the 7D Mark II to that of a "true" pro body says a lot of how far it has come. Ok, the 1D Mark IV is a few generations old, and it's a APS-H, but still.

 

[garyknrd]

I just read the white paper on the id mark IV. Long over due by the way.
From the little I have read on the 7d II. I would still get the IV over the 7d II. For the lenses I have!
If I were using only 5.6 lenses or higher I would definitely get the 7D II. And the 7d II has a better AF system for sure for BIF. IMO!
I have a 300mm f/2.8 lens and use it with the 1.4 allot. The IV supports 39 cross type point's at f/4 for that lens. Also for the 400mm f/2.8 lens by the way. And if used at 2.8 it has 39 cross types points. Also have a f/4 lens that is supported with a cross f/4 at center only.
I cannot find the white paper on the 7d II? Does anyone know where or if it is available from Canon?

Really looking forward to trying one out.. Looks like it will be a good camera. It looks like the 7D II will compliment my IV nicely...

Thanks

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avianphotos
http://www.birdsthatfart.com

 

[jasonsim]

I used the 7D II with my 600mm II + 1.4x III last weekend and all 65 AF points were active and available. It focuses like a dream. Better than the 1Dx I used to have.

Hope this helps!

I just read the white paper on the id mark IV. Long over due by the way.
From the little I have read on the 7d II. I would still get the IV over the 7d II. For the lenses I have!
If I were using only 5.6 lenses or higher I would definitely get the 7D II. And the 7d II has a better AF system for sure for BIF. IMO!
I have a 300mm f/2.8 lens and use it with the 1.4 allot. The IV supports 39 cross type point's at f/4 for that lens. Also for the 400mm f/2.8 lens by the way. And if used at 2.8 it has 39 cross types points. Also have a f/4 lens that is supported with a cross f/4 at center only.
I cannot find the white paper on the 7d II? Does anyone know where or if it is available from Canon?

Really looking forward to trying one out.. Looks like it will be a good camera. It looks like the 7D II will compliment my IV nicely...

Thanks

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avianphotos
http://www.birdsthatfart.com

 

[expatinasia]

Personally, not only do I think they are both aimed at quite different markets,

I'm not sure what you are considering different markets because everybody I know with either camera or even the original 7d use them for exactly the same thing. Which is primarily sports/wildlife. What separates the two cameras market is mainly price and not how they are used. Therefore in my opinion a comparison between the two is very important. Even if the 1d Mk iv is no longer in production there is a lot of them available on the used market.

I agree that a comparison is important, if only from a curiosity point of view.

What I meant by different markets is that the 1D IV when compared to the 7D ii is aimed more at the pro sports photographer rather than the semi-pro and consumer market (I do not do wildlife much at all and only for leisure when I do so I can't comment on that).

At the sporting events I shoot, the photographers using Canon either have a two 1D X combo, or a 1D X and 1D Mark IV, or one of the 1D X or IV and a 5D Mark III. I do not think I have ever seen a 7D.