Canon 1DC is IDENTICAL to 1DX other than firmware
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Re: How canon charges 6000$ for firmware upgrade
They are selling the same hardware crippled down to HD for half the money. That shows you that they can afford to do it. I understand what you say, but its a very good way to make clients very unhappy to do it the way they are doing it.
preppyak said:
They are selling the same hardware crippled down to HD for half the money. That shows you that they can afford to do it. I understand what you say, but its a very good way to make clients very unhappy to do it the way they are doing it.
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sublime LightWorks said:
Along the same lines... would you be pissed if you bought a $100k M5, and then next year when the new GPS update comes out, BMW made you purchase a new M5 instead of allowing you to buy a DVD with the updated maps? Or, if you want a Sirius Satellite Radio in your car, you'd have to buy a brand new car with that option, as opposed to just adding it to your current car? Remember, now you can get BMWs pre-wired with Sirius now, just not activated (in other words, it's similar to just a firmware update).
But, I agree, it's not a question of being ethical or moral... they can do whatever they want. But, it doesn't mean that some of us can't be pissed about it.
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sublime LightWorks said:
Your car analogy is totally erroneous! Btw I've owned both the BMW M5 and the BMW M3 (one I chipped to over 400BHP with fun but detrimental results). There are 2 genuine reasons to limit the performance/horsepower of a BMW M5 sold into the US market:
(1) Cars in the USA are subject to different homologation criteria, thus exhaust system (affects HP) and catalytic converters are different
(2) BMW Motorsport automobiles in Europe are designed and optimized to run on RON 98 gasoline that is simply not widely available in the United States. Both my M5 & M3 had a sticker on the inside of the fuel cap door with the recommendation; "Warning 98 Octane Fuel Recommended", with an additional explanation that you could use 95 Octane when 98 was not available. In the US, most gas stations sell 87, 89, 91 or 92 octane fuel!
You could add ethanol to US gasoline to boost the octane level, in the same way that you add an additive to 2-stroke engines but nobody in a suit driving an M5 in NY is going to be sitting there at a gas station mixing 'stuff' into their fuel as they fill up their tank, having paid a hundred grand for the car.
The point you're all missing here, is the difference between genuine product differentiation, coupled with a differential (marketing) pricing policy, where there is an apparent dislocation between product/price
If any of you want a really informative lesson on business ethics, then read "Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre, a journalist and a Doctor who has trained medical students. You'll soon see how Canon is no different to Big Pharma or indeed other multinationals who milk their customers for every last cent of profit, and where MARKETING budgets dwarf R&D budgets in all of the large corporations around the world, including Canon
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Re: How canon charges 6000$ for firmware upgrade
Alex will work for uncompressed video on on ML of 5D3 version. Unfortunately, the hardware limitation is not allowing 5D3 to have 4K video feature.
The ML door is opened for 7D and 1DX now. You will see that later.dadgummit said:
Alex will work for uncompressed video on on ML of 5D3 version. Unfortunately, the hardware limitation is not allowing 5D3 to have 4K video feature.
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bvukich said:
Dear Global Spam Assassinator...
Thank you for telling me what I mean, and even more thanks onhow stupid I am that I dont know the meaning of immoral or unethical... ??? . Now to the important stuff:
The thread was started with the premis that Canon has just fessed up that the hardware of 1Dc and 1Dx is the same... this after they made earlier assertions that the two Cameras had different internals and to quote " because of heat dissipation, bandwidth issues" .... I don't know what values you follow, but lying is not only unethical, it is immoral. Misleading customer and the general public is immoral and unethical. Grossly overcharging the customer might be ethical, but maybe NOT immoral.... I can go on but I think you see where this is going.
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marekjoz said:
Really? someone ripped the innards of the 1Dc to find it is same as the 1Dx and when Canon were caught lying with their pants down; so they fessed and you are stilling finding excuses for them? What I respect is your unquestional loyalty to them. And assuming you are sufficiently invested in Canon gear; Two words come to mind...
"Stockholm Syndrome"
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K-amps said:
Come on... Where did they lie? What is really wrong in this practice? I feel respect for you work but what you write here is insane. Loyalty has nothing to do here. I don't feel respect for canon because this is canon but because of this action. Am I really so loyal? Read other my posts. My point of view has nothing to do with loyalty.
Someone has written here a good summarize: grow up people...
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nikkito said:Shawn L said:BruinBear said:
Being a programmer myself, I agree
Shawn L.
I also agree!
I agree too... but the issue is about grossly overcharging... since we all agree that production costs are a miniscule part of the price... right?
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marekjoz said:
Apologies for coming on a bit strong there buddy...
I will say though; I hope ML can crack the firmware so that all my 1Dx buddies can have a 1Dc when they want.
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unfocused said:
Yeah but does a Mercury Sable cost twice as much as a Ford Taurus? I think not (Q.E.D.), that's just branding. But to build a car with a V8 engine, then use the Engine Management System (EMS) to switch off 4 cylinders and sell it for $25,000, then offer the same car with same nameplate (apart from one letter) for $50,000 is not immoral, it is just business stupidity as the owner will eventually find a workaround.
Do you think those who paid $12,995 for a 1Dc are now happy in the knowledge that they bought a 1DX running a slightly modified OS?
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sublime LightWorks said:
So you want to apply the standard of corporate leaders (that constitute less than 1% of the population) to the general masses / consumers? Really?
I could also argue that it makes less sense for them to price their products they way they are and might infact be better off (considering the relative price elasticity) lowering prices on some products thereby increasing overall profitability due to volume and market share captured...; heck.. some execs in Canon marketing might also feel the same way but some other guys disagree... thats fine, it's how life is, your opinion vs mine.
On the Car analogy... Sorry bad example; the crippling of the M5 was more to do with regulations rather than BMW raping it's US consumer base...
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Rat said:I hope today we all learned that capitalism doesn't advance anything but capitalistspeederj said:
+1 and when they have sucked dry all the rest... they will wonder why people are not buying anymore...
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DB said:
+1: When I was studying Marketing years ago... I vaguely remember a quote: saying that a happy customer will talk to 1 potential customer about their expereiences with a company, but a pissed off customer will talk to 14 !! Canon... don't piss off your customers.
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