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Folks from America, Europe & Australia are lucky ... you can return stuff that you don't like ... it is not easy to return stuff in most parts of Asia (except maybe Japan, Hongkong, Singapore etc) ... the return policies in most parts of Asia 5cuks cow n!pples.canonian said:
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Dylan777 said:K-amps said:
welcome back to mrk II waiting room ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order
Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.
Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens?? Hell no!! I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens! Oh such a bad answer my friend. It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.
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From the spects I never felt so confident about a lens like about the 24-70/2.8L II.
Can't wait to receive it - in September, October, whatsoever.
Soon ripe, soon rotten; haste makes waste; rome wasn't built in a day...
Can't wait to receive it - in September, October, whatsoever.
Soon ripe, soon rotten; haste makes waste; rome wasn't built in a day...
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I wouldn't buy an f1.2 lens unless I intend to use it at f/1.2 ... I don't own one coz I do not need f/1.2 (at least at this stage).bdunbar79 said:Dylan777 said:K-amps said:
welcome back to mrk II waiting room ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order
Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.
Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens?? Hell no!! I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens! Oh such a bad answer my friend. It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.
The corner sharpness at f/22 of Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 is much sharper than Canon, Nikon or Tamron but I did not buy it coz that lens is a disgrace at f/2.8.
But everyone's requirements are different ... you are the best judge of your requirements and no one can dispute that.
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bdunbar79 said:Dylan777 said:K-amps said:
welcome back to mrk II waiting room ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order
Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.
Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens?? Hell no!! I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens! Oh such a bad answer my friend. It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.
Why do you think 70-200 f2.8 IS II is popular? fast AF & sharp at f2.8 maybe?
I thought people buy prime lenses for one reason - large aperture/speed. Rule #1 - You can always step down the f-stops from larger aperture, but not the other way around. Most lenses get sharper when you step down 1 or 2 stops, but if we can get sharp image at wide open....to me this is HUGE PLUSSSSS
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steliosk said:
You can also preorder Canon as soon as they are officially announced. I had an 800E on pre-order. There was no difference between Canon & Nikon on the 800 and 800E.
The Canon T4i shipped less than 1 week after it was announced. It was officially announced on Friday, June 8. I had it in my hands one week later, on Friday, June 15.
Nikon actually had more disruption of manufacturing because of the incidents in japan and elsewhere, with many items out of stock and in short supply.
Really no difference overall. Canon is making sure the product performs prior to shipping.
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Dylan777 said:bdunbar79 said:Dylan777 said:K-amps said:
welcome back to mrk II waiting room ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order
Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.
Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens?? Hell no!! I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens! Oh such a bad answer my friend. It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.
Why do you think 70-200 f2.8 IS II is popular? fast AF & sharp at f2.8 maybe?
I thought people buy prime lenses for one reason - large aperture/speed. Rule #1 - You can always step down the f-stops from larger aperture, but not the other way around. Most lenses get sharper when you step down 1 or 2 stops, but if we can get sharp image at wide open....to me this is HUGE PLUSSSSS
The popularity of the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS lens has less to do with the f/2.8, but rather the sharpness of the lens over all apertures. I don't mean general sharpness, I mean supreme sharpness over many other lenses in that focal length range.
You should never buy a lens for ONE reason, ever. Besides, large aperture/speed are TWO reasons. Again, I stand by my comment, 99% of the 85 f/1.2L II owners did not purchase it because of the 1.2 aperture, but rather the supreme performance of the lens at useful apertures over other lenses.
There are tons of lenses you can buy for a Canon camera that have really wide apertures, but also which happen to perform very, very poorly.
You're talking f/stops in your post, which is fine, but who cares if the lens performs poorly? So I have mediocre photos at f/8 and crappy photos at f/1.8? Another scenario, suppose a prime has a widest aperture at 1.2. Okay, but if it's super sharp at f/5.6 and I only need it at f/5.6, I'm STILL buying it because it's the sharpest lens at f/5.6. I really am not concerned about widest aperture necessarily.
To support your point? Yes! I did purchase the 300mm f/2.8L I IS lens because I can go as wide as f/2.8, which is very useful for nigiht sports with fast shutter speeds. But I didn't buy the 85L because of it's widest aperture, I bought it because it's the sharpest lens at 85mm over all apertures, regardless of how wide it can go.
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bdunbar79 said:Dylan777 said:bdunbar79 said:Dylan777 said:K-amps said:
welcome back to mrk II waiting room ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order
Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.
Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens?? Hell no!! I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens! Oh such a bad answer my friend. It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.
Why do you think 70-200 f2.8 IS II is popular? fast AF & sharp at f2.8 maybe?
I thought people buy prime lenses for one reason - large aperture/speed. Rule #1 - You can always step down the f-stops from larger aperture, but not the other way around. Most lenses get sharper when you step down 1 or 2 stops, but if we can get sharp image at wide open....to me this is HUGE PLUSSSSS
The popularity of the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS lens has less to do with the f/2.8, but rather the sharpness of the lens over all apertures. I don't mean general sharpness, I mean supreme sharpness over many other lenses in that focal length range.
You should never buy a lens for ONE reason, ever. Besides, large aperture/speed are TWO reasons. Again, I stand by my comment, 99% of the 85 f/1.2L II owners did not purchase it because of the 1.2 aperture, but rather the supreme performance of the lens at useful apertures over other lenses.
There are tons of lenses you can buy for a Canon camera that have really wide apertures, but also which happen to perform very, very poorly.
You're talking f/stops in your post, which is fine, but who cares if the lens performs poorly? So I have mediocre photos at f/8 and crappy photos at f/1.8? Another scenario, suppose a prime has a widest aperture at 1.2. Okay, but if it's super sharp at f/5.6 and I only need it at f/5.6, I'm STILL buying it because it's the sharpest lens at f/5.6. I really am not concerned about widest aperture necessarily.
To support your point? Yes! I did purchase the 300mm f/2.8L I IS lens because I can go as wide as f/2.8, which is very useful for nigiht sports with fast shutter speeds. But I didn't buy the 85L because of it's widest aperture, I bought it because it's the sharpest lens at 85mm over all apertures, regardless of how wide it can go.
"Besides, large aperture/speed are TWO reasons" - this is parallel, large aperture = higher speed
"99% of the 85 f/1.2L II owners did not purchase it because of the 1.2 aperture" - where can I see this data?
Again...not so many ZOOM lenses out there is sharp at f2.8 - wide open.
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It may be parallel, but it's two reasons nonetheless. "Speed" means nothing when you define it as the "same" as wide aperture. Again, not to be argumentative, but I think I've presented enough of an example from someone who sells photography to demonstrate that the purchase of a prime lens is not always because of speed/aperture. Sometimes it is, but not always. Ok, I'll rephrase: 99% of all the professional photographers I know, purchased the 85 f/1.2L II lens otherwise. The purchase of my primes, the PRIMARY reason is NOT aperture, but sharpness rather. Wide aperture is not my fault, I did not design the lens. Canon did that. It could be the 85 f/2.8L II lens for all I care, as long as it's as sharp as the one I have. I bought a 50 f/1.4 when I had a 24-70mm zoom lens. I bought it not b/c of the 1.4, but because it's sharp. I'm personally not shooting wider than 2.8 for ME. Others have other needs besides mine, and I understand that.
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kaihp said:
... as limited quantity for pre-order, so for the first month or so all lenses might be used to serve back-orders. It's not only a shame Canon pushed the release date time and time again, but even more so that it's still pure speculation when the lens will be available in sufficient quantities. Since Canon doesn't say anything about that, I fear for the worst ...
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Yikes. I tried to plan for September arrival by advertising my 24-70 for sale this week,. promised the lens to someone this morning (Saturday). I wish there was confirmation or (official)denial - one way or the other. I will miss the lens on assignments... adding a month without or back out of the agreement. I don't like doing that.
There must be others who have tried to plan their sales of their 24-70 for an easy transition.
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There must be others who have tried to plan their sales of their 24-70 for an easy transition.
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