Canon 5D MKIV from a Video Perspective
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First thing I noticed in Canon's demo videos was a7s-level rolling shutter. And excessive sharpening (artificial video look). The former is inherent to the sensor readout and the later is hopefully because they set their camera to Standard (has +4 sharpness, WAY too high) as protocol for official launch video.
I need a side by side with the 1DX II with a zoom lens on both to compensate for the extra crop (1.45 vs 1.64 per Canon, but I still hear 1.75 mainly coming from the EOSHD article. Don't know who to trust (Canon or Andrew Reid - who I respect very much - and can't calculate it myself)
I need a side by side with the 1DX II with a zoom lens on both to compensate for the extra crop (1.45 vs 1.64 per Canon, but I still hear 1.75 mainly coming from the EOSHD article. Don't know who to trust (Canon or Andrew Reid - who I respect very much - and can't calculate it myself)
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I do not currently shoot video, but have been interested in getting into it. I can't really do 4K now, but will probably start once I upgrade my PC in Jan/Feb next year. For now I'd be happy with getting to grips with 1080p and DPAF.
What are the system requirements for editing 4K MJPEG?
What is the recommended workflow with 4K MJPEG?
What are the system requirements for editing 4K MJPEG?
What is the recommended workflow with 4K MJPEG?
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StudentOfLight said:
Workstation hardware or high end PC. You'll need all the power you can get to handle the footage. Personally I use the following:
X99 motherboard with an Intel i7 5930 processor.
64Gb RAM
nVidia Quadro 4200
I have a m.2 256Gb SSD as a main OS drive
For scratch I use a NVMe SSD (Intel 750)
I also have 2 x 6Tb mechanical storage drives internally and a Synology 5 bay NAS to back up to on a bonded 1Gb/e link.
I seriously recommend a PC over a Mac as it's far cheaper to upgrade/expand a PC over a Apple rig. You don't need 64Gb RAM but it does help especially under Premiere as you can assigned RAM to each core so for my rig I can have 6 x 8Gb for rendering out. 32Gb is the bare minimum. I seriously recommend a professional graphics card like a FireGL or a Quadro as there's nothing worse than the GPU crashing during a render. SSDs are all but mandatory due to the high throughput demands of the data. Processors are either the i7 or the Xeon E5s. Xeon's will allow you do multiprocessor boards and the X99 mobo's can handle some versions but without the ECC RAM abilities.
As a side note, water cooling is great for these rigs for almost silent running even under heavy load.
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StudentOfLight said:
I use the footage as the client gives it to me, I rarely shoot video myself I'm just one of the few people in my area that has a decent rig for editing and rendering which is available. I know it can handle 4-5 layers of 4K footage in realtime with no proxies. I could ask one of the guys for his workflow, not sure what rigs he uses though.
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I don't know if anyone already published PeterGregg's video. IMHO he has some good point. Though it's way too long.
Maybe some will say TL;DW, but I say to all of those amateurs, learn to watch in 2x speed and to FastForward while not missing the context.
Maybe some will say TL;DW, but I say to all of those amateurs, learn to watch in 2x speed and to FastForward while not missing the context.
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I am a Canon guy and have a whole bunch of Canon DSLRs, camcorders and a C100. But I have to give some serious consideration to the GH5 when it comes out. Rumor has it as 10 bit 4:2:2 internally, 4K at 60 FPS, and it also will support 4K HDMI out to be externally recorded on an Atomos Shogun. It has a log mode. It's micro 4/3, but a Metabones Speed booster not only allows the use Canon lens, but it also means that the GH5 becomes essentially a Super 35 camera. We'll see exactly what it is and the price, and I have to wait and see. A lot of people love the GH4, and the GH5 to be announced in a few weeks should be better.
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I think the only reasonable reason to get a 5DMIV is because its a good FF stills camera. Canon is highly conservative, and as much as I love speculating on what they could do - the truth is they aren't going to do it. They believe in incremental advancement and won't self-compete even if they *could* leap-frog the competition.
That doesn't mean that people are going to fail to produce kick-butt 4k video with the camera. Realizing its probably not the *best* tool for video is important... but also realizing that if your job is to first take stills photos and maybe shoot some video segments... then you are probably carrying one of the top 5 cameras in the world capable of doing both if you have it in your bag. (hopefully to be borne out once its in the hands of the world at large) The fact that *at least* one of those cameras is also a canon and at least one of the others belong to Nikon should be an insight into how valuable a tool it will be.
I use a 7D2. FF is not for me because now that my 7D2 finally works perfectly, I'm happy. When the 7D3 comes out sometime around 2022(I daydream about 2017/2018)... I'll probably pick it up. By then people will be drooling over the 16k wall-sheet TVs (That descend like a projector screen from a soundbar mounted on the wall) costing $3k., and constantly anticipating Canon's fall from grace and imminent obscurity (despite being number one) with its DSLR line up not having 8k video yet outside its 1DXIII... and wondering why everything isn't mirrorless because Canon DSLRs weigh too much compared to the competition... And countless thousands of amazingly great videos will have been made with the 5D4 while the 5D5 or its successor is being speculated about rampantly...
It is a rumor site after all...
That doesn't mean that people are going to fail to produce kick-butt 4k video with the camera. Realizing its probably not the *best* tool for video is important... but also realizing that if your job is to first take stills photos and maybe shoot some video segments... then you are probably carrying one of the top 5 cameras in the world capable of doing both if you have it in your bag. (hopefully to be borne out once its in the hands of the world at large) The fact that *at least* one of those cameras is also a canon and at least one of the others belong to Nikon should be an insight into how valuable a tool it will be.
I use a 7D2. FF is not for me because now that my 7D2 finally works perfectly, I'm happy. When the 7D3 comes out sometime around 2022(I daydream about 2017/2018)... I'll probably pick it up. By then people will be drooling over the 16k wall-sheet TVs (That descend like a projector screen from a soundbar mounted on the wall) costing $3k., and constantly anticipating Canon's fall from grace and imminent obscurity (despite being number one) with its DSLR line up not having 8k video yet outside its 1DXIII... and wondering why everything isn't mirrorless because Canon DSLRs weigh too much compared to the competition... And countless thousands of amazingly great videos will have been made with the 5D4 while the 5D5 or its successor is being speculated about rampantly...
It is a rumor site after all...
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gpp said:
Sad and I sympathize but I would say that a few people learned a valuable albeit slightly expensive lesson.
Ebrahim Saadawi is it worth burning in hell over? Pay these guys back.
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Any progress?
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1.64x crop is identical to Canon APS-C which I and all consider s35.
The crop is no issue. It's simply a FF camera in 1080p and a s35 camera is 4K.
(BTW Ursa 4K is 1.78x crop and no one calls it not s35. Raven is 1.75x crop and is S35, point is, these are very marginal differences)
So Now we have a s35 full 4K DCI Canon DSLR with internal 4:2:2 and DPAF.
What the?! This is SO exciting specs!!
Since the 5DII we know that Canon Standard Picture Styles provide an extremely film like colours and overal contrast. Just a bit rough in the DR area so this will translate to the 5DIV.
4:2:2 as Abraham said is a license Canon gave to this camera for broadcast approval. From now on all CNN/BBC/SKY etc small cameras will be replaced with the new 4:2:2 cameras by Canon (XC10, 5D).
Keep in mind this market (broadcast) is not small. It made the C300 what it is. So see how big and influential it is!
So this camera works on lots of markets, broadcast (422), Films (S35 4K), Documentary/Weddings (DPAF), I mean that's a lot.
Did we WANT C-Log? FF 4K? EVF attachement? Peaking/Zebras? Yes. But these are reserved for the C line and can be worked around and the good thing is that we've been working around the 5D bad video ergonomics for hears so now we have lots of great options.
The crop is no issue. It's simply a FF camera in 1080p and a s35 camera is 4K.
(BTW Ursa 4K is 1.78x crop and no one calls it not s35. Raven is 1.75x crop and is S35, point is, these are very marginal differences)
So Now we have a s35 full 4K DCI Canon DSLR with internal 4:2:2 and DPAF.
What the?! This is SO exciting specs!!
Since the 5DII we know that Canon Standard Picture Styles provide an extremely film like colours and overal contrast. Just a bit rough in the DR area so this will translate to the 5DIV.
4:2:2 as Abraham said is a license Canon gave to this camera for broadcast approval. From now on all CNN/BBC/SKY etc small cameras will be replaced with the new 4:2:2 cameras by Canon (XC10, 5D).
Keep in mind this market (broadcast) is not small. It made the C300 what it is. So see how big and influential it is!
So this camera works on lots of markets, broadcast (422), Films (S35 4K), Documentary/Weddings (DPAF), I mean that's a lot.
Did we WANT C-Log? FF 4K? EVF attachement? Peaking/Zebras? Yes. But these are reserved for the C line and can be worked around and the good thing is that we've been working around the 5D bad video ergonomics for hears so now we have lots of great options.
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