Has anyone seen this body before? It is a 6D, stripped of wifi and GPS. Price is 30% less than a regular 6D. On offer in Norway today.
Canon 6D N
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Yes, in some countries electronic devices with Wi-Fi and/or GPS cannot be sold, or Canon could not get regulatory approval to do so. Thus, there is a version without those features produced for sale in those countries.
Literally, they make a 600EX flash – no "-RT" because it has no radio frequency capabilities.
Literally, they make a 600EX flash – no "-RT" because it has no radio frequency capabilities.
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Yep, the manual covers both the N and WG models. I might have considered the N model if available in the US, especially at a significant discount to the WG. Haven't really used the GPS yet, but have found the WiFi to be useful on a few occasions for tethering to a iPhone/iPad.
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I have never missed GPS or wifi on any of my bodies, so that would not be a sacrifice for me. 30% price cut on that and another 20% to skip video ... :
I find it a bit strange that they sell both versions here in Norway tough. I don´t believe many are willing to pay the price for GPS and wifi.
I find it a bit strange that they sell both versions here in Norway tough. I don´t believe many are willing to pay the price for GPS and wifi.
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I've heard that the GPS is useful for setting the camera clock accurately. Wish i'd done that on an Alaska train trip i took last year where i was snapping wildly with two cameras, and the camera clocks were a few minutes apart. Trying to synchronize the pictures afterwards was a huge pain.
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MadHungarian said:
The problem with the GPS is that it takes FOR-EVER to acquire a signal (on the order of minutes, not seconds) even if you're in an open structure like an airport at 5am in the morning. Heck, even on the airplane I tried turning it on and still couldn't get a signal in under 3 minutes.
The Wifi is cool (if not a little quirky) for quick downloading images to my smartphone for texting.
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Eldar said:I have never missed GPS or wifi on any of my bodies, so that would not be a sacrifice for me. 30% price cut on that and another 20% to skip video ... :
I find it a bit strange that they sell both versions here in Norway tough. I don´t believe many are willing to pay the price for GPS and wifi.
Good thing about the 6D is that you can use your 'S' screen in it. It's actually a very fine camera, although I think
you may find the controls a tad soft compared with the 5DIII/1Dx.
Of course if you get bored with it you can always give it to your wife as a new body
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That was actually what I was thinking of. The Eg-S used in the 5DIII turned out to be unstable and the image quality of the 6D is very close.Sporgon said:Eldar said:I have never missed GPS or wifi on any of my bodies, so that would not be a sacrifice for me. 30% price cut on that and another 20% to skip video ... :
I find it a bit strange that they sell both versions here in Norway tough. I don´t believe many are willing to pay the price for GPS and wifi.
Good thing about the 6D is that you can use your 'S' screen in it. It's actually a very fine camera, although I think
you may find the controls a tad soft compared with the 5DIII/1Dx.
Of course if you get bored with it you can always give it to your wife as a new body
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Skywise said:
The time to GPS lock is dependent on two main factors:
1. The time since last lock.
2. The distance you have traveled since last lock.
Assuming you have travelled less than 60 miles since the last GPS lock, the following is true:
The worst case is when the device has been off for more than 180 days. This is a true cold start, because the GPS receiver must start from absolutely nothing (no almanac data, no ephemeris data, no previous location, no exact notion of time of day). This takes a couple of minutes, typically, assuming you're outdoors. If you're indoors with poor reception, it can take an arbitrarily long amount of time.
The next worst case is when the device has been off for more than 3 days. The GPS receiver has no notion of time, so it must first obtain an accurate time stamp and determine what satellites are in the sky. It may be slightly faster because it doesn't need to retrieve the almanac data, but otherwise, this is still a cold start.
The next worst case is when the device has been off for more than two hours (four hours if you time it just right—two hours is the worst case). In that situation, it must gather ephemeris data, which takes a good couple of minutes. However, the almanac and time stamp are sufficient to identify which satellites are in the sky, so if you haven't moved more than 60 miles, this is a warm start, and takes about 35 seconds, on average.
Finally, the best case is when the device has been off for less than two hours and you have travelled less than 60 miles. This is a hot start, and is very quick.
If you have travelled more than 60 miles, the rules change. If you are eligible for a warm start (<3 days since last fix), A GPS receiver will typically assume that you have not travelled more than 60 miles, and therefore will keep trying to talk to satellites that aren't actually overhead. Depending on how stupid the receiver is, it may sit there spinning, trying to obtain a warm fix for fifteen minutes. Therefore, as a rule, if you fly on an airplane or travel a long distance with your camera off, go into the GPS settings, and turn GPS off and back on again. This forces a cold start, resulting in a fix after a couple of minutes instead of many, many, many minutes.
Unfortunately, that design means that turning GPS off to save power also results in a cold start (several minutes) whenever you turn it back on.
BTW, I'm surprised you got a lock in an airplane at all. Commercially available GPS receivers turn themselves off automatically if they detect that they are above a certain altitude. The altitude varies, with some cutting off as low as 10,000 feet. And even if a GPS receiver works at your particular altitude, you're still in a giant metal tube with only a few small openings.
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Sporgon said:Eldar said:I have never missed GPS or wifi on any of my bodies, so that would not be a sacrifice for me. 30% price cut on that and another 20% to skip video ... :
I find it a bit strange that they sell both versions here in Norway tough. I don´t believe many are willing to pay the price for GPS and wifi.
Good thing about the 6D is that you can use your 'S' screen in it. It's actually a very fine camera, although I think
you may find the controls a tad soft compared with the 5DIII/1Dx.
Of course if you get bored with it you can always give it to your wife as a new body
Now there's a conversation that could go bad from the outset - 'Hey honey, I have a new body for you...' ;D
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He he, that´s the second time in a couple of days where that "body" thing deviates peoples mindsRoo said:Sporgon said:Eldar said:I have never missed GPS or wifi on any of my bodies, so that would not be a sacrifice for me. 30% price cut on that and another 20% to skip video ... :
I find it a bit strange that they sell both versions here in Norway tough. I don´t believe many are willing to pay the price for GPS and wifi.
Good thing about the 6D is that you can use your 'S' screen in it. It's actually a very fine camera, although I think
you may find the controls a tad soft compared with the 5DIII/1Dx.
Of course if you get bored with it you can always give it to your wife as a new body
Now there's a conversation that could go bad from the outset - 'Hey honey, I have a new body for you...' ;D
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I use an off camera GPS tracker when on trips. There I have to download A-GPS settings from internet, which are valid for a week or so, to get very fast acquisition (time to first fix). Without such download, acquisition takes a fair bit longer. Would such method exist for the 6D as well?
There are pro's and con's for having GPS in or off camera:
- in camera: you can never forget your tracker and you get the coordinated directly into your exif.
- off camera: you can record your entire route, also when not taking photos and you do not drain your battery doing it.
There are pro's and con's for having GPS in or off camera:
- in camera: you can never forget your tracker and you get the coordinated directly into your exif.
- off camera: you can record your entire route, also when not taking photos and you do not drain your battery doing it.
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Eldar said:
30% lower than the lowest mail-order discount price you can get? Well that's tempting, but ...
* I have to admit the gps function is very handy since it doesn't drain much battery and you don't need to merge a separate tracklog in postprocssing. Not really necessary though if you already have a dedicated gps tracker that is bound to be more precise than the 6d.
* Canon's wifi implementation is somewhat lacking, but if you manage to set up a virtual access point on your pc controlling the camera wireless with your laptop can be nice for wildlife shots. Using it with a mobile phone (ios/android) for odd shots or selfies is also handy. Last not least, if you're a journalist you can offload shots quickly to your employer or your blog.
Vossie said:
Nope, Canon's gps is very basic and the worst part is that it doesn't record where the camera is pointing (unlike hotshoe gps receivers) so it's really no advantage over a dedicated tracker, but just a convenience.
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Marsu42 said:
Yeah, I'm not sure why Canon didn't include an electronic compass, but then again, the one in my iPhone 5 frequently gets so far out of calibration that it borders on useless, so perhaps they came to the same conclusion and just didn't bother.
As for A-GPS, it does significantly speed acquisition by prefetching the almanac and ephemeris data, but there's no good way to do that with a camera, because cameras don't have cell hardware and aren't typically tethered to anything with an Internet connection. Besides, it is usually only a problem right after an airline flight or long period without power.
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dgatwood said:
Afaik there are two "agps", one mobile camera type which uses the cell information and one offline type which simply pre-computes the satellite paths so the tracker doesn't need to search for all of them. For the latter you
could simply upload the data via usb/wifi or put some agps file on the card, afaik some trackers do this
However the 6d gets a fix rather quickly, so I don't think there is a real need esp. since gps doesn't need much power so you can simply leave it on. Magic Lantern has an option to turn it off automatically on camera of an then on again which saves battery btw, and a "hot start" gets a fix even quicker.
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