Canon Actively Testing Third Party Sensors [CR2]

[RGF]

If Nikon is using Sony sensors I doubt Canon will ever do the same. It's a matter of differentiation.

Nikon and Canon can both use Sony sensors - just not the same sensor.

 

[siegsAR]

Canon will always be the one with the biggest gain in this. Sony is just about getting even.

 

[sigh]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

 

[jasny]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

DPAF is more than 2 years on the market, but we still even don't know if Canon plans to use it on FF sensors at all...

 

[jasny]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

DPAF is more than 2 years on the market, but we still even don't know if Canon plans to use it on FF sensors at all...

The C100, C300 and C300 MkII have DPAF.

Those are low Mpix Super-35 sensors for video, not high Mpix FF sensors for stills...

 

[StudentOfLight]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

DPAF is more than 2 years on the market, but we still even don't know if Canon plans to use it on FF sensors at all...

The C100, C300 and C300 MkII have DPAF.

Those are low Mpix Super-35 sensors for video, not high Mpix FF sensors for stills...

IIRC, STM is a complimentary technology to DPAF. So why did Canon start making full frame STM lenses like the 24-105 IS STM?

 

[jasny]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

DPAF is more than 2 years on the market, but we still even don't know if Canon plans to use it on FF sensors at all...

The C100, C300 and C300 MkII have DPAF.

Those are low Mpix Super-35 sensors for video, not high Mpix FF sensors for stills...

IIRC, STM is a complimentary technology to DPAF. So why did Canon start making full frame STM lenses like the 24-105 IS STM?

And 40/2.8 is either STM for FF. And available almost for 3 years... And still no DPAF FF...

BTW: I use my STM lenses without DPAF and I'm quite happy with them

 

[Loswr]

Nikon buys sensors from Sony. Does Nikon depend on that? If Sony decides to raise prices (eroding Nikon's profits), Nikon can source sensors from, say...Toshiba, as they've done already. But now Sony is buying Toshiba's sensor division. Does Sony have other acquisitions planned? What competition in the 'large' sensor space will remain?

 

[pedro]

If I were Canon, I would hook on that STARVIS tech...
http://www.canonrumors.com/sony-shows-off-new-high-sensitivity-sensor-called-starvis/
sounds quite intresting.

 

[FunkyCamera]

Hopefully not any of those junk sony sensors. I want my next Canon to have a proper sensor that takes great quality photos instead of high fake scores by hoax benchmark companies.

I guess they could be looking at a sony sensor for some of the low end bodies if sony can supply them cheap enough.

 

[Frick74]

For me it's important that the dynamic range of the sensors in the canon bodies will improve. If it's done with canon sensors > perfect. If it's done with other brand sensors > perfect again. I'm a canon pro for years, but I will probably change to Nikon or Sony if the dynamic range of the Canon sensors isn't going to change. So please, Canon, make me (and others?) happy!

 

[optikus]

Hello,

I don't think that there were any problems if Canon decides to use third party sensors for those products they identify to show certain cost risks. They design their products and the required features and then look who can supply fitting sensors, if Sony or someone else is not relevant. The markets wants to have the expected quality of a Canon-camera together with a good price. And as the statistics of Canon shows, they have serious problems with this. And with missing products. So I can understand when they source out development issues as e.g. new sensors are and reduce cost getting more ressources for the key-segments in the market, as to name mirrorless-products for the mass market. The classical compact camera in the low price segment is a niche product this time and the small sensors for them are no key technology as well.

J.

 

[StudentOfLight]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

DPAF is more than 2 years on the market, but we still even don't know if Canon plans to use it on FF sensors at all...

The C100, C300 and C300 MkII have DPAF.

Those are low Mpix Super-35 sensors for video, not high Mpix FF sensors for stills...

IIRC, STM is a complimentary technology to DPAF. So why did Canon start making full frame STM lenses like the 24-105 IS STM?

And 40/2.8 is either STM for FF. And available almost for 3 years... And still no DPAF FF...

BTW: I use my STM lenses without DPAF and I'm quite happy with them

Canon doesn't release full frame bodies every couple of months. The 6D was probably too late in it's development to include DPAF. Since then, the only new full frame is the 5Ds/R line, which Canon decided was not gonna be video oriented (no headphone-jack, no clean HDMI-out)

 

[Don Haines]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

DPAF is more than 2 years on the market, but we still even don't know if Canon plans to use it on FF sensors at all...

The C100, C300 and C300 MkII have DPAF.

Those are low Mpix Super-35 sensors for video, not high Mpix FF sensors for stills...

IIRC, STM is a complimentary technology to DPAF. So why did Canon start making full frame STM lenses like the 24-105 IS STM?

And 40/2.8 is either STM for FF. And available almost for 3 years... And still no DPAF FF...

BTW: I use my STM lenses without DPAF and I'm quite happy with them

Canon doesn't release full frame bodies every couple of months. The 6D was probably too late in it's development to include DPAF. Since then, the only new full frame is the 5Ds/R line, which Canon decided was not gonna be video oriented (no headphone-jack, no clean HDMI-out)

Agreed!

We are talking about LONG development cycles on Camera bodies.... The 5D4 project probably started before the 5D3 was released....

 

[PhotographyFirst]

I think people are forgetting one of the main benefits of Canon not using Sony sensors, especially for videographers, namely DPAF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood sensors had to be manufactured in a certain way for DPAF to work. Sony sensors aren't manufactured with this feature and can't be unless Canon licence their patents to them. This is never going to happen.

Personally I'd be against Canon using a third party sensor, like the Sony, if it meant losing DPAF.

DPAF is more than 2 years on the market, but we still even don't know if Canon plans to use it on FF sensors at all...

The C100, C300 and C300 MkII have DPAF.

Those are low Mpix Super-35 sensors for video, not high Mpix FF sensors for stills...

IIRC, STM is a complimentary technology to DPAF. So why did Canon start making full frame STM lenses like the 24-105 IS STM?

And 40/2.8 is either STM for FF. And available almost for 3 years... And still no DPAF FF...

BTW: I use my STM lenses without DPAF and I'm quite happy with them

Canon doesn't release full frame bodies every couple of months. The 6D was probably too late in it's development to include DPAF. Since then, the only new full frame is the 5Ds/R line, which Canon decided was not gonna be video oriented (no headphone-jack, no clean HDMI-out)

Agreed!

We are talking about LONG development cycles on Camera bodies.... The 5D4 project probably started before the 5D3 was released....

I wonder what the real turn around time is for Canon to go from concept to production models shipping? Probably differs depending on how drastic the new model deviates from the previous model, such as the 5D3 vs 5Ds.