Alefoto said:scyrene said:Alefoto said:Not to mention the Panasonic Gh4 which can be found used for about 800 euro, wich has a way way better 4k video with almost the same crop factor. And use then the Voigtlander 10,5mm. And still, for less than the 5D IV cost, you can add into the GH4 setup the panasonic YAGH interface unit which will give you powerful audio option.
People should not be buying this camera if their primary interest is video. It is a STILLS camera. It still produces video, which may be adequate for many users.
I just checked the price here in Italy. It's 4150 euro... For this camera? Waaaay toooo overpriced. It would be an interesting 2016 camera for about 2000 euro, but more than twice as much? Sorry Canon but for that amount of money there are several better options in the market, for stills and definitely for video. Even older Canon cameras (C100 or a used C300 for example) give you better video options. Regarding stills, there are also some things which are implemented in cheaper cameras and lacking here: no AA filter (why did they left it??), better memory cards, better buffer, tropicalization. For stills there is always the much cheaper 5DS!
Alefoto said:I understand this new 5D IV is a still camera and that so many people want so many things. Canon launched the DSRL video stuff and many people appreciated it. Actually there are many people using a single camera for both video and still images and many people use both in their workflow. The 5DIV's supposed video capabilities are adversized on Canon's website as "cinematographic 4k video". No way with those specs and at that price: with 4000 euro, now in 2016, you can get an advanced video system of camera, basic audio gear and a few lenses or a professional video camera body only (the Ursa for example). Considering the lifespan of this new camera (up to 2020 maybe?) and its current specs compared to the 2016 competition (which is about to introduce or has introduced features like pixel shift, no aa filter now being the norm, 6k video, much faster memory cards, etc) it's already a normal camera by nowdays standards. Would it be an investment for the future?scyrene said:Alefoto said:It's funny that Canon advertized the 4k option in such a camera, it is barely usable and definitely behind cheaper competition options. Even a used Canon C100 for 1500 euro gives you better video!
1) All the video people moaned that 4K was essential for newer Canon cameras to not be DOA. They added 4K. Now it's not the right kind :
2) Again, the 5D4 is a STILLS camera that happens to do video. The C100 is a VIDEO camera. How good are its stills? Probably not very good, because it's a VIDEO camera. Get it?
I don't understand the purpose of this camera. For people entering the Canon system? Way too overpriced and behind competition at that price. For people upgrading their canon camera? Not for people doing video for sure. Even for still images there are cheaper and better options within Canon cameras.
Jack Douglas said:Guys I understand that your situation is not mine and you or I may need to reconsider. When we have good dialog we may still stick to our views but generally it broadens our horizons and we come to appreciate why our needs are not necessarily other's needs and that Canon has to look at the diverse customer base and try to please everyone. That of course is impossible.
For me in particular, a used 1DX if it was cheap enough would be an option. However, I've been waiting for about 2 years considering that it would be updated by the Mark II and I would buy that. I would/might still but 20 MP doesn't thrill me given my cropping. Stupid Canon should have given it 24 or 28 MP - forget those photo jounalists and sports fanatics that don't want that, I want it, right. I'd love all the other features.
This would be my last camera probably since I'm getting up in years. I've previously bought and sold a used 1D4 and loved it except it was short on pixels given I have the 6D - nope 16 MP is not enough since I'm always cropping; also the higher ISO performance was not great.
A 5DSr is a possibility but already I know from the 6D that I want more than 5 fps. A 7D was an option but I don't want a crop camera, so actually the 5D4 really doesn't seem too bad. In fact I think I could be pretty happy with it.
And I'm not anyone else so I don't expect anyone else to feel like me but I'm generally satisfied with Canon. Provided I don't allow myself to get too wound up about a few missing features. I think 30 MPs will just about be perfect for me.
So that's why I don't join in the chorus cursing Canon. And that's why I respect other peoples needs and opinions. And that's why I get tired of whiners! Actually that's probably more because I'm old.
arthurbikemad said:If the Mk4 has the same hit rate as the 1DX2 people will be happy...
GuyF said:arthurbikemad said:If the Mk4 has the same hit rate as the 1DX2 people will be happy...
It'll all depend on the scenario. Taking action shots as an example, the larger battery in the 1DX2 will drive big lenses a bit better and the huge fps will allow you to choose the best shot from a far greater selection. The 50% more pixels on the 5D4 (over the 1DX2) may well mean you have to increase the shutter speed compared to the 1DX2 to ensure you minimise motion blur due to the subject crossing more pixels in the same amount of time (unless you have great panning skills). Certainly a number of users have intimated that faster shutter speeds are required but looking at Keith Breazeal's shots over on the military aircraft thread suggest you can get brilliant shots of fast action with 50mp.
How's your panning?
arthurbikemad said:My panning is ok...ish...lol I am waiting to see some real comparison from current bodies to the Mk4 (1DX, 1DX2, 5D3, 5DS etc etc). Yesterday after some time with the 1DX2 I was back on my 5D3, it's shocking how such a GREAT camera can seem sooooo s l o w after the 1 series. I know there are many factors at play and the comparison is highly unfair so take my comment as "just saying", also it was with a 200/2 on the 5D3 and a 500/4 on the 1DX2 but back to back you'd never believe how much difference in focus speed, acquisition and so on would be. The 200/2 on the 5D3 use to seem quick! I have high hopes for the Mk4.
pwp said:It was an odd move, but in working reality, it's really of very little consequence, barely noticeable.
FWIW I have always assigned ISO to the Set button. Give it a try.
I'm gobsmacked that the headline feature, Dual Pixel RAW can only be processed in Canon's software. Do you know a single professional who works with even modest volumes who uses Canon's lame software? Canon can't do software. Who's going to give up a highly evolved Lightroom or Capture One workflow to process their Dual Pixel RAW files in DPP? Take it from me...for the most part it ain't going to happen.
There are lots of other far more inexplicable design/feature decisions or exclusions that make the 5D MkIV a huge disappointment. It could have so easily been revolutionary.
glness said:Please tell me they are going to release a version of this camera without the AA filter so I can by the "R" version. Unless, of course, this is camera intended mostly for wedding photographers. What were they thinking?