Canon Announces the EOS T5i

[Area256]

+ wifi/gps (if they can put it in next to the flash) + touchscreen + more fps + faster video (1080p/60) + better video lv af (digic6)? Maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if Canon postponed the real sensor upgrade to the 7d2 in the end of 2013 (delivery: sometime 2014)...

Sounds reasonable. Canon really seems to want to get the most out of that old sensor fab. I remember people complaining about it when the 60D came out... I wouldn't be surprised if they just keep with it until their market share starts dropping, and even then... The 7D2 may just try to compete on fps and AF. That's the problem with insisting on using your own fab (and not renting it to others), there is a huge cost associated with building a new one and decommissioning the old one. Nikon has given itself a lot of flexibility by using other company's fabs, and Sony has been able to finance their fab by renting it out to Nikon and others. Even major chip companies share fabs, see nVidia and AMD.

 

[Vagabondman]

The more I think about it, the fact that Canon didn't put wifi into the T5i(700D) or for that matter even the new SL1 is kinda perplexing/frustrating. Both these can be considered Canon's flagship entry level DSLRs for people migrating from point & shoots to more serious photography. We live in a world of iPhones & instant uploads. I thought the inclusion of wifi in last years "affordable" FF was a sign of things to come for Canon's future entry level DSLRs....but alas no.

I think Canon missed a real opportunity here. For one thing, wifi would have made the T5i an ACTUAL upgrade lol and not just in name only!....but it'd also be a REALLY useful & popular feature for consumers. Not to mention the fact that it'd help differentiate it from competitors like Nikon's offerings at a time when many are thinking Nikon is doing all the innovating lately.

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I agree with missed opportunity. WiFi was something I definitely expected in the new version. Together with touchscreen they make stellar features for mass market. Canon already have application for iOS and Android to communicate with 6D. It could be just extended for T5i and make this huge differentiation to other entry level DSLRs.

Yup. They sure did. It's just odd that the last DSLR canon released, the 6D and the new power shots got wifi....but they leave it out of both the new entry level DSLRs the t5i and the SL1? Makes no sense if ya ask me. But hey...it's not my company. I'm just a consumer.

 

[verysimplejason]

I'll not be surprised if 70D and 7D2 will sport the same 18MP sensor... Maybe some other features will be improved but if they're not going to upgrade their sensor technology, I'm still expecting the old 18MP sensor. Anyway, I just hope they can drive 6D's price down a little bit more.

 

[Vagabondman]

Wishing doesn't make it so unfortunately...but these were on my wishlist and were unfulfilled. :-(

Canon 6D....swivel & touchscreen

Canon T5i.....GPS & WiFi

Canon SL1.....swivel screen, GPS & WiFi

Oh well.

 

[heptagon]

I'll not be surprised if 70D and 7D2 will sport the same 18MP sensor... Maybe some other features will be improved but if they're not going to upgrade their sensor technology, I'm still expecting the old 18MP sensor. Anyway, I just hope they can drive 6D's price down a little bit more.

If they had a new sensor ready i'm sure they would have told us. If they had it ready by now, they'd release either the 70D, 7D2 or both. They didn't which means they don't have the sensor ready. Now they can postpone it but they need to release something. So they wait a bit and then release a camera with the old sensor and some gimmics like WiFi, touch-screen or slightly better framerate and AF. 70D gets single card no sealing, 7D2 dual card slots and sealing. Then we wait for the new sensor to arrive in about 2015..16..17.

 

[hmmm]

New sensor? New sensor? We don't need no stinkin' new sensor! We got Digic 6 coming!

Here is an excerpt from the SX270/280 press release:

"The HS System pairs the new DIGIC 6 processor with a 12.1 Megapixel high-sensitivity CMOS sensor to deliver exceptional images in low light, with minimal blur and noise, as well as wide dynamic range – perfect for capturing shadowy detail as the sun sets on holiday. Using the DIGIC 6 processor and HS System, users can enjoy shooting with incredible ISO sensitivity, up to ISO 6400, with outstanding results."

Canon couldn't be thinking that the same old 18MP sensor will be just fine in the 70D and 7D mkII because of Digic6 ... could they? ???

 

[Marsu42]

Canon couldn't be thinking that the same old 18MP sensor will be just fine in the 70D and 7D mkII because of Digic6 ... could they? ???

You can improve jpeg noise reduction with a faster cpu and better algorithm, and you can lower banding with better readouts. The 70d might also get a better noise pattern like 5d2->5d3. And you probably can bump dynamic range a bit with the same sensor tech (see minor dr increase 5d3->6d) - but that's about it.

But Canon has a whole fleet of marketing people, and the less real innovations there are the more they matter and have to perform their magic - to the point of satire as these press releases prove.

 

[rihanishtiaq]

I hope the 70D or 7DII will not disappoint us.. may be it's worth the wait..

 

[Vagabondman]

Perhaps this non update signals that Canon intends to phase out the T5i rebel series and eventually replace it with the SL1 series. Just a thought.

 

[x-vision]

Perhaps this non update signals that Canon intends to phase out the T5i rebel series and eventually replace it with the SL1 series.

This non-update serves to raise (back) the price of the Rebel series.

The T4i was announced in June last year for $849.
Just a few months later, though, Canon had slash the price to $599 (30%).

With this non-update, the price is now $899.
This is $50 higher than the T4i intro price and $100 higher than T3i intro price.

So, in effect, Canon is raising the price - while also repositioning the Rebel a little higher.

We'll see now what they will do with the 70D.
There's no way that it will be spec'd as Nikon's D7100.
So, interesting to see how the 70D will be spec'd and positioned.

 

[x-vision]

You can improve jpeg noise reduction with a faster cpu and better algorithm, and you can lower banding with better readouts. The 70d might also get a better noise pattern like 5d2->5d3. And you probably can bump dynamic range a bit with the same sensor tech (see minor dr increase 5d3->6d) - but that's about it.

+1000

The press release downplays the BSI sensor, while hyping the new Digic 6 processor.
Just consider that Canon doesn't have BSI technology in-house.
So, the sensor is sourced from someone else (Sony?).
At the same time, Digic is an in-house technology for Canon.

 

[kirillica]

maybe rebel 5 is a result of miscommunication? maybe DSLR department don't know Canon has developed digic 6 and can provide normal continuous AF during video with high ISO and large DR?

Canon is too big...

 

[anthony11]

nikon seems to have people who are really interested in photography and deliver products that at least show some improvements.

Are you forgetting how the D800 < D700?

 

[Vagabondman]

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going? It may take awhile, but personally a 6D is not exactly an "affordable" FF. To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

 

[TrumpetPower!]

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going? It may take awhile, but personally a 6D is not exactly an "affordable" FF. To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

I wouldn't hold my breath on a super-cheap full frame DSLR. You get a lot fewer 24mm x 36mm chips out of a wafer than you do 14.8mm x 22.2m chips, and there's never going to be any significant demand for such a camera. APS-C truly is the superior format for the Rebel crowd in so many ways.

Asking for a cheap 135-format DSLR is a lot like asking for caviar at canned tuna prices so you can use it in your noodle casserole.

Cheers,

b&

 

[Marsu42]

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going?

Certainly not - ff sensors will *always* be more expensive, but Rebels will *always* be the most cost effective cameras. Plus all the ef-s lenses only work with aps-c sensors because ff have a larger mirror, so unless Canon goes mirrorless ff won't "trickle down" but aps-c sensors will become better nearly obsoleting ff unless for high mp sensors.

Plus ff has some decisive disadvantages for the average shooter:

* smaller depth of field (hard to handle, or the larger dof/iso compensates part of the noise advantage),

* shorter reach (or *much* more expensive tele lenses) & more expensive wide angle lenses (easier to construct if nearer to the sensor on aps.c). Even standard ef lenses need to illuminate a larger sensor = more expensive...

 

[J.R.]

To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

Going by Canon's recent pricing, Rebels going over $1,000 seems more likely

 

[Krob78]

To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

Going by Canon's recent pricing, Rebels going over $1,000 seems more likely

+1 I feel confident that they won't be manufacturing or releasing any sub $1000 Full Frame cameras... ever, why would they have too? They already have a great FF market share and thousands of us world wide that pay for FF that are no where near that price point. The rest of the world buys crop or p&s and some of us purchase both! ;D

 

[mkabi]

Personally, I can't wait until FF trickles down to the Rebel. Isn't that the inevitable way things are going? It may take awhile, but personally a 6D is not exactly an "affordable" FF. To me a sub $1,000 FF is the holy grail. And I cannot wait until it happens.

Yeah... wait another 4 years when the 6D Mrk II comes out...
Your dream will come a reality, because the 6D will be available for $1000 (body only)
However, you will also look at the other more capable FFs that came after the 6D and dream the day when those are less than/equal to $1000.

 

[CharlieB]

I feel confident that they won't be manufacturing or releasing any sub $1000 Full Frame cameras... ever, why would they have too?

They'll do it when the competition forces them directly, or indirectly. Its an inevitability. Many makers fighting for market share makes for good competition, and also makes for good value in the product.

Its only a matter of when, not if.