Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

[rickstar228]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

29.2mm x 20.22mm will be the sensor size
13280 x 9184 Effective Pixel Count
Pixel pitch 2.2 u m
Frame Rate 9.5fps (CRAZY)
60 x the res of 1920 x1080 Video

 

[nda]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

I could see resolution being a standard DSLR variable (like ISO, f-stop, etc.) that you set when taking a picture. For some shots I might want high resolution but for others a lower value would be more appropriate. Naturally, if something like this becomes standard fare on cameras we could choose our defaults based on our preferences.

8)

 

[pedro]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

As a working pro who has used Canon cameras for several years, my message to Canon is NO, NO, NO!

You are going in completely the wrong direction. Pros and advanced amateurs have no need or desire for such a camera.

24-28 MP is more than enough for us, even 36 MP is overkill for most people.

What we want is noise-free images at ISO 3200 and above. What we want is significantly increased dynamic range, to retain shadow and highlight detail in contrasty lighting. What we want is better subject tracking. What we want is image stabilisation incorporated into ALL Canon lenses, or IBIS bodies. What we want is bigger, brighter viewfinders in the APS models.

What we DON'T want or need is ridiculously high megapixel counts!

I fully back up what you say. I wish to see this basic tech in 24 MP sensors...

 

[LDS]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

You are going in completely the wrong direction. Pros and advanced amateurs have no need or desire for such a camera.

Are you sure? A single size doesn't fit all... also, define "Pros" - what are "Pros"? Media/events? Marriage photographer? Sport/wildlife one? Lanscape/travel? Fashion? Advertising? Industrial and commercial photographers? Art reproduction? All same needs, truly?

What we want is noise-free images at ISO 3200 and above. What we want is significantly increased dynamic range, to retain shadow and highlight detail in contrasty lighting.

We? For example, in a lot of studio photography you don't use high ISO and dynamic range is perfecty controlled by lighting - and a lot of commercial images are done under these controlled conditions. And your image could be shown at a size of several metres , instead of being displayed on someone 5" phone...

What we want is better subject tracking. What we want is image stabilisation incorporated into ALL Canon lenses, or IBIS bodies. What we want is bigger, brighter viewfinders in the APS models.

Again, not everybody is a sport/wildlife photographer... and if this camera would be the only model offered by Canon you could be right, but it won't - don't worry, other sensors will be still available and improved for different needs.

 

[N2itiv]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

Future tech that doesn't effect my present photography. Aside from final product form, user systems would need to store and process all that data. Won't change a thing in the meantime.

 

[meywd]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

I wonder how much of this is chest beating in response to the competition from Sony's lineup? (It would be naive to assume this is just targeted at the A7RII.)

Are Canon trying to see how Sony will respond?

Or are Canon simply chest beating to keep people from changing brands?

I say this because I cannot ever remember Canon coming out and saying "We're developing a xxx DSLR" before they've even got a press release out with its name, etc. The 1Ds was a big surprise back in the day and when Nikon when FF, that was also a surprise.

This announcement is completely out of character for what we would normally expect from Canon. What has made Canon do it?

what about the 4 million ISO camera, wasn't it announced with a demo video a couple of years ago?

 

[vscd]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

So, to sum it up, Canon just skips 4k, 8k is on the way...

 

[Tinky]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

So, with these intresting news in mind, I kinda see a much deeper reason behind Canon's activity in re-modeling their lens line up...Don't have an FF body at the time, as my 5D3 got stolen due to an assault. But I think my rusty old 30D will be good for do some additional clicks while the amount which was covered by the insurance will wait to be invested in a new cam and a wa-lens...Three years down the road or whenever...

Sorry to hear of this Pedro. I hope the cops get the scum and chuck them down the stairs a couple of times.

 

[Tinky]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

Well super 35 will be a real limiting factor for Canon silly move that will please Arri. Should be open gate or Vistavision shows they know nothing about the movie industry.

What was the camera most used on oscar nominees in the last couple of years? Catching up with / competing with.. Arri s35 is not a bad place to be. Especially with the plethora of compatable lenses in hire shops. Movie productions tend to be limited companies who hire gear in the short term rather than buy gear for the long term.

The market is very satisfied with Arri & s35.

I'd suggest that from a business point of view, rather than a brinksmanships point of view, it's exactly where Canon want to be.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

footnote 3:
Out of the 96 lenses that make up the EF lens lineup, 60 models will be compatible with the SLR camera under development.

 

[pedro]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

So, with these intresting news in mind, I kinda see a much deeper reason behind Canon's activity in re-modeling their lens line up...Don't have an FF body at the time, as my 5D3 got stolen due to an assault. But I think my rusty old 30D will be good for do some additional clicks while the amount which was covered by the insurance will wait to be invested in a new cam and a wa-lens...Three years down the road or whenever...

Sorry to hear of this Pedro. I hope the cops get the scum and chuck them down the stairs a couple of times.

Thank you, Tinky. This happened in a twinkle of an eye. 4 guys from behind in broad daylight, I was walking as the last of the group...I was glad they took me and did not attack the rest...as I accompanied young people (18-25yrs) to a place in Latin America...I was just happy enough to quickly let go the equipment as they grabbed the strap and tore me forcefully from behind. I fell on the back and got rid of the cam as fast as possible...You wouldn't defend it under these circumstances...But, this could have happened anywhere, though. I just thank God that I am alive, everything else is replaceable...

 

[EOBeav]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

4k video is so 2016.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

As a working pro who has used Canon cameras for several years, my message to Canon is NO, NO, NO!

You are going in completely the wrong direction. Pros and advanced amateurs have no need or desire for such a camera.

24-28 MP is more than enough for us, even 36 MP is overkill for most people.

What we want is noise-free images at ISO 3200 and above.

who died and made you spokesman?

Ever hear of studio?

landscape?

in most cases they could care less about your "we want noise free ISO 3200 and above".

and btw, with 120Mp, you can NR to your heart's content and have 20MP output.

Downsampled, 120MP WILL look pretty bloody noise free.

the ability for this camera to oversample and deliver a non-digital look will be pretty cool in the right hands, in the wrong hands, there will be a bunch of whingers for sure.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

Downsampled, 120MP WILL look pretty bloody noise free.

One has to learn digital techniques to use a digital camera to it's full potential. It isn't film so we should not act like it is.....

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

footnote 3:
Out of the 96 lenses that make up the EF lens lineup, 60 models will be compatible with the SLR camera under development.

I wonder what "compatible" means?

well, the more i thought about this camera the more I thought .. EVERYTHING had to change.

with 2.5 the pixels of the 5Ds.. DiGiC, AF, etc - all have to have their games seriously upped.

could this be the older lenses that don't have precise enough focus?

2.7um pixels, for precise focus, it's going to be interesting to see how canon engineers all of this.

even the 8k C500 video announcement is pretty startling .. we're talking 13EV 8k at 60fps on a super 35 (1.4 crop thereabouts, 35MP sensor).

 

[Woody]

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This is great news. I thought Canon is about to throw in their towel and surrender to Sony.

But please... for goodness sake... do something about that dynamic range thingy...

 

[sanj]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

Hahahahahahaha. And we were debating if 4K was necessary!!!!! So I guess no more of that outdated talk will surface again.

Well some might not, I am still happy with my 21MP and hoping the 1DX MkII comes in around 24MP, if it does I suspect two of them will see my photography career out, after all the 1Ds MkIII's have lasted 7 years and counting. If they aren't then maybe a 5DSR and a single 1DX MkII will spread the feature set, but it would be reluctant.........

Private 8k is for film makers. Not for photographers. You know that.

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

Well super 35 will be a real limiting factor for Canon silly move that will please Arri. Should be open gate or Vistavision shows they know nothing about the movie industry.

What was the camera most used on oscar nominees in the last couple of years? Catching up with / competing with.. Arri s35 is not a bad place to be. Especially with the plethora of compatable lenses in hire shops. Movie productions tend to be limited companies who hire gear in the short term rather than buy gear for the long term.

The market is very satisfied with Arri & s35.

I'd suggest that from a business point of view, rather than a brinksmanships point of view, it's exactly where Canon want to be.

Most oscar nominees are shot on open gate Alexa cameras notably the Alexa XT its TV that shoots S35 even most commercials shoot open gate. The Red Dragon is closer to Vistavision than S35 and its the second most popular camera for movies. No movie we have serviced globally has used the Canon C500 only one the Sony F55 so Canon will not easily win the hearts & minds of movie makers who like anamorphic lenses and open gate for visual effects so unfortunately your wrong.

 

[arjay]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

footnote 3:
Out of the 96 lenses that make up the EF lens lineup, 60 models will be compatible with the SLR camera under development.

I wonder what "compatible" means?

Out of 96 lenses, that means it will not take :
EF-M lenses.......4
EF-s lenses.......14
Cinema lenses ..18

leaving only 60 compatible lenses.
This means that the camera is most likely full frame (there is a possibility that it is APS-H)

 

[tomscott]

Re: Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

I wouldn't say no to the mega pixels but I would prefer something around 28mp FF and 8fps would be a great wildlife and motorsport camera.