Canon Developing 8K Cinema EOS Camera, 120mp DSLR & 8K Display

[rrcphoto]

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footnote 3:
Out of the 96 lenses that make up the EF lens lineup, 60 models will be compatible with the SLR camera under development.

I wonder what "compatible" means?

Out of 96 lenses, that means it will not take :
EF-M lenses.......4
EF-s lenses.......14
Cinema lenses ..18

leaving only 60 compatible lenses.
This means that the camera is most likely full frame (there is a possibility that it is APS-H)

that is a nice catch. I am wondering about APS-H. however canon can stitch for larger, it's just more expensive.

and this isn't going to be no 4K camera body - I'm thinking north of 8K.

 

[rrcphoto]

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I wouldn't say no to the mega pixels but I would prefer something around 28mp FF and 8fps would be a great wildlife and motorsport camera.

I don't see anything in this announcement that says canon isn't going to make a lower resolution camera.

Odds are a fast fps camera will still be lower resolution.

Canon stated in the past, they are going to create more cameras that are more focused to particular markets.

 

[scyrene]

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So, with these intresting news in mind, I kinda see a much deeper reason behind Canon's activity in re-modeling their lens line up...Don't have an FF body at the time, as my 5D3 got stolen due to an assault. But I think my rusty old 30D will be good for do some additional clicks while the amount which was covered by the insurance will wait to be invested in a new cam and a wa-lens...Three years down the road or whenever...

Sorry to hear of this Pedro. I hope the cops get the scum and chuck them down the stairs a couple of times.

There used to be a website where you could upload a pic from a stolen camera and see if any others taken with it subsequently had been put online. Anyone remember that?

 

[scyrene]

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I wouldn't say no to the mega pixels but I would prefer something around 28mp FF and 8fps would be a great wildlife and motorsport camera.

I'm sure you'll get that too. I doubt this will be their only offering

 

[ahsanford]

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Is anyone else picking up on the word 'effective' in the MP statement?

"approximately 120 effective megapixels"

I say this for a few reasons:

• That word is not used in traditional SLR announcements: it's not part of the 5DS/5DS R announcement, and the word only shows up in the 7D2 announcement to speak to DPAF and not to the overall sensor resolution.
  
• Any chance this is a Foveon or other non-Bayer technology that renders more detail through other means?
  
• Any chance this is some DXO One or Olympus in-camera composite of multiple shots nonsense?

I'm just curious if you believe the 120 MP statement is tied to fudgery, marketing shenanigans, asterisk-worthy techno-witchcraft, etc. or you believe Canon is talking about an actual 120 million pixel sensor.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

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I wonder how much of this is chest beating in response to the competition from Sony's lineup? (It would be naive to assume this is just targeted at the A7RII.)

Are Canon trying to see how Sony will respond?

Or are Canon simply chest beating to keep people from changing brands?

I say this because I cannot ever remember Canon coming out and saying "We're developing a xxx DSLR" before they've even got a press release out with its name, etc. The 1Ds was a big surprise back in the day and when Nikon when FF, that was also a surprise.

This announcement is completely out of character for what we would normally expect from Canon. What has made Canon do it?

Your head is exactly where mine is, Dilbert. I just started a side-thread on this re: the motivation behind the announcement (rather than this thread for the content of it):

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=27622.0

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

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Is anyone else picking up on the word 'effective' in the MP statement?

"approximately 120 effective megapixels"

I say this for a few reasons:

• That word is not used in traditional SLR announcements: it's not part of the 5DS/5DS R announcement, and the word only shows up in the 7D2 announcement to speak to DPAF and not to the overall sensor resolution.
  
• Any chance this is a Foveon or other non-Bayer technology that renders more detail through other means?
  
• Any chance this is some DXO One or Olympus in-camera composite of multiple shots nonsense?

I'm just curious if you believe the 120 MP statement is tied to fudgery, marketing shenanigans, asterisk-worthy techno-witchcraft, etc. or you believe Canon is talking about an actual 120 million pixel sensor.

- A

they usually say that because of the requirement to demosaic the bayer sensor.

you're reading too much into it.

"The EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R cameras offer the highest resolution capture in the history of EOS: a Canon designed and manufactured, full-frame 50.6 Megapixel CMOS sensor. It captures 8712 x 5813 effective pixels, delivering images with wide dynamic range and an incredible level of realism perfect for large-scale printing"

 

[9VIII]

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I am utterly enthused that anyone is working on an 8K Cinema pipeline.

It's almost disgusting that movies are still published and displayed at 2K resolution in professional movie theaters. My home theater from 2009 still looks better than 90% of the box office theaters out there (and that bulb has been running like a freight train for 6 years now in economy brightness mode).

And 8K is even something that we can use right now.
Everyone knows downsampling is great for their pictures, and the same applies to movies. 4K mastered movies still improve image quality on a 2K display, 8K mastered movies are going to look better than 4K movies on a 4K display. This production pipeline actually has practical value right now.

 

[RGF]

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8K video would be a great 1Dx M3.

120 MP - "effective" MP???? could this be a Fovoen type sensor?

 

[ahsanford]

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I am utterly enthused that anyone is working on an 8K Cinema pipeline.

It's almost disgusting that movies are still published and displayed at 2K resolution in professional movie theaters. My home theater from 2009 still looks better than 90% of the box office theaters out there (and that bulb has been running like a freight train for 6 years now in economy brightness mode).

And 8K is even something that we can use right now.
Everyone knows downsampling is great for their pictures, and the same applies to movies. 4K mastered movies still improve image quality on a 2K display, 8K mastered movies are going to look better than 4K movies on a 4K display. This production pipeline actually has practical value right now.

Just curious, have the projections changed on 4K television penetration? I recall an article from earlier this year claiming that 4K will still not hit 50% in the US for another few years (I believe it was 2020).

I recognize the people making content benefit from / need to stay well ahead of the home consumer, but I was just curious how quickly 4K was becoming the norm in households.

- A

 

[Crosswind]

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Nothing is set in stone regarding sensor size...

A 120MP sensor would be a great step forward till 2020 & pretty nice for an entry-level MF DSLR. If I remember correctly, Canon wasn't aversed to introduce medium format someday. It's just not the right time for now I guess, but I can see future DSLRs having MF sized sensors at moderate price tags.

edit; if there will be Canon MF DSLRs someday, you'd probably be able to use EF optics on a bigger "EF-X" bayonet with no restrictions. The camera has to be in crop mode. Same could be the case for using EF-S optics on a FF body, right? If that's not possible, make an adapter and just let the body go into crop mode.

 

[Tinky]

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As a working pro who has used Canon cameras for several years, my message to Canon is NO, NO, NO!

You are going in completely the wrong direction. Pros and advanced amateurs have no need or desire for such a camera.

24-28 MP is more than enough for us, even 36 MP is overkill for most people.

What we want is noise-free images at ISO 3200 and above.

who died and made you spokesman?

Ever hear of studio?

landscape?

in most cases they could care less about your "we want noise free ISO 3200 and above".

and btw, with 120Mp, you can NR to your heart's content and have 20MP output.

Downsampled, 120MP WILL look pretty bloody noise free.

the ability for this camera to oversample and deliver a non-digital look will be pretty cool in the right hands, in the wrong hands, there will be a bunch of whingers for sure.

Which Pros? Professional wedding photographers and photojournalists maybe not.

This is not being aimed at advanced amateurs.

Personally I would love a very large 8MP UHD/4K sensor, with massive photosites. But I don't delude myself that Canon care what I think.

 

[jeffa4444]

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Most multiplex screens averaged have a 56ft diagonal screen. To see 2K you need to sit roughly in the middle of the theatre, for 4K the first two to three rows, 8K you would be sitting in no mans land between the seats & the screen. 8K oversampled to 4K IS going to be the future and V-Nova "Perseus" compression software will make it managable.

NHK are already testing 8K cameras, the Arri Alexa 65 is a 6K camera, and the Red Weapon is a 6K camera, all these cameras require a larger colour space which is where REC.2020 comes in and for streaming H.265 comes in.

As others have stated it will weed out the "bad" lenses in terms of resolution and sharpness but equally all that resolution & sharpness creates its own issues for make-up, practicals etc. so expect legacy lenses to continue to be heavily used.

 

[ahsanford]

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You are going in completely the wrong direction. Pros and advanced amateurs have no need or desire for such a camera.

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who died and made you spokesman?

Ever hear of studio?

landscape?

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Which Pros? Professional wedding photographers and photojournalists maybe not.

This is not being aimed at advanced amateurs.

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Haven't we seen this back and forth enough with our various threads on 1DX II vs. 5DS vs. 5D4?

There are some landscape/studio/product/macro people would pay extortion money for a 120 MP rig that couldn't be used above ISO 400.

And there are event/wedding/concert folks would pay that same extortion money for a 6 MP rig that delivers perfectly clean files at ISO 25,600.

Our needs vary and we should be respectful of that.

- A

 

[Maiaibing]

Enjoying 50 mpix will buy 70 mpix more when possible

Would be great if they could retro-fit my 5DS/R but I'll buy it regardless.

Could be best reason to skip the 5DIV?

Choice is good. 8)

 

[unfocused]

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It's almost disgusting that movies are still published and displayed at 2K resolution in professional movie theaters.

My wife and I go to a lot of movies. I can't recall ever walking out of a theater and thinking: that movie would have been great if it had higher resolution.

 

[gsealy]

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It seems to me that 8K immediately obsoletes 4K, and therefore the C300 MII should be down priced to about $5K.

 

[Pascal Parvex]

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There used to be a website where you could upload a pic from a stolen camera and see if any others taken with it subsequently had been put online. Anyone remember that?

http://www.lenstag.com
I use it, too.

 

[meywd]

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It's almost disgusting that movies are still published and displayed at 2K resolution in professional movie theaters.

My wife and I go to a lot of movies. I can't recall ever walking out of a theater and thinking: that movie would have been great if it had higher resolution.

Don't you see a difference between IMAX and normal movies?

 

[emko]

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It's almost disgusting that movies are still published and displayed at 2K resolution in professional movie theaters.

My wife and I go to a lot of movies. I can't recall ever walking out of a theater and thinking: that movie would have been great if it had higher resolution.

Don't you see a difference between IMAX and normal movies?

Yes the 70mm Imax films where amazing now its all that digital 2k projection bull crap they still call IMAX
35mm 21.95mm x 18.6mm vs IMAX 70mm 70mm x 48.5 That's a big difference but now they shoot with 2k/4k cameras and then display the film with 2k projectors and call it IMAX ya right.