Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear
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tapanit said:
EF-S not compatible with full frame. Definitely not full frame. That would be crazy.
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To everyone pooh-poohing the reuse of the same/tweaked form sensor, what are you really complaining about? I only became aware of a new 'small Rebel' a couple weeks ago, and wasn't anticipating anything earth shattering.
Were you honestly THAT excited over a small form camera, that you expected a new sensor, and more importantly... were you going to buy it until you saw it was only 18MP? At what point would you have been satisfied (brand new 14MP/16/20/24MP), and if once satisfied with the specs, would you be buying it? If the last answer is ultimately no, which I suspect to be the case for most, then why do you care?
In my opinion, this is a great use of using 'hand-me-down' technology in a business sense, extending the earning power of already existing technology, and is something I expected. Remember this effectively replaces the 12MP sensor of the T3/1100D. If you already have proven successful technology, you are foolish to not exploit every last drop out of it.
The timing of this 'surprise' new body is also good. Ahead of them introducing long anticipated advanced-entry and other niche level bodies (700D/70D/7D2), why is this a bad thing? It means in all likelihood, we are going to see at least 1, maybe 2 if we're lucky, new sensor(s) being introduced to replace what would appear to be a now vacant position in the technology battle.
Also, since everyone knows simply throwing megapixels alone doesn't accomplish much, please ask yourself what would have really made you happy. Maybe we should all wait a couple more days for more news and announcements, and if not then maybe in a month or two.
Were you honestly THAT excited over a small form camera, that you expected a new sensor, and more importantly... were you going to buy it until you saw it was only 18MP? At what point would you have been satisfied (brand new 14MP/16/20/24MP), and if once satisfied with the specs, would you be buying it? If the last answer is ultimately no, which I suspect to be the case for most, then why do you care?
In my opinion, this is a great use of using 'hand-me-down' technology in a business sense, extending the earning power of already existing technology, and is something I expected. Remember this effectively replaces the 12MP sensor of the T3/1100D. If you already have proven successful technology, you are foolish to not exploit every last drop out of it.
The timing of this 'surprise' new body is also good. Ahead of them introducing long anticipated advanced-entry and other niche level bodies (700D/70D/7D2), why is this a bad thing? It means in all likelihood, we are going to see at least 1, maybe 2 if we're lucky, new sensor(s) being introduced to replace what would appear to be a now vacant position in the technology battle.
Also, since everyone knows simply throwing megapixels alone doesn't accomplish much, please ask yourself what would have really made you happy. Maybe we should all wait a couple more days for more news and announcements, and if not then maybe in a month or two.
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swrightgfx said:
The mount is the same for EF and EF-S..... the problem is mirror clearance on the existing EF bodies. The larger mirror required for FF takes more space to swing up than the APS-C sized mirror. If you think outside the box and change the geometry somehow... or even a split mirror!!!... you could overcome that obstacle and fit a FF sensor in. Yes, when using an EF-S lens you would have to crop it to the central 60 percent or so of the image, but it could be done.
SOME EF-S lenses can be used on FF bodies, such as the Sigma 10-20 on a 5D2. It's not an impossible thing, but I doubt Canon is ready for FF compact cameras yet.
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Canon EF-S lenses have an extra rubber part that pokes out of the rear of the lens, preventing them from mounting on EF mount bodies. Only cameras with an EF-S mount (crop sensor cameras from the 300D onwards) have the cut out to allow such lenses to physically mount.Don Haines said:
Some people have removed it from the 10-22 to use it at longer focal lengths on APS-H bodies: http://www.flickr.com/groups/canondslr/discuss/72157604422834954/
I'm not aware of anyone other than Canon that makes EF-S mount lenses, and such third party crop lenses might have clearance for a full frame mirror, even if the image circle is too small.
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Sjekster said:
That's nitpicking....
Only Canon makes EF and EF-S lenses.
Only Sigma makes DG and DC lenses
Only Tamron makes D and DI lenses
Perhaps I should have said "EF-S compatable"
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Rienzphotoz said:
yeah sort of IF it was reasonably priced....
but I've not seen and pics of it has anyone got any so we can see the physical size?
based on the weight its not a big saving vs a rebel
however the T3i is a bargain now where as this has a big premium over the top
at this end of the market cost is a much bigger factor than say the 5Dmk3 and look at the carry on and snivelling THAT caused and for that matter still causes to some extent.
This new mini-EOS is some 25 to 30% more than a T3i with an even bigger gap if you consider what a refurb T3i can be had for yet offers zero performance over the older rebel other than it's smaller size which based on weight is not much of a saving.
personally i quite like my EOS-M if i want something small its 22mm lens is great hell even the 18-55 kit lens leaves the EF-S 18-55 in its dust (i know thats not much of an achievement) and i've just started playing around with it and the samyang 8mm fish eye which is quite a cool little combo, oh and the magic lantern alpha have been running great on it. focus peaking, intervalometer improved bracketing soooo many great features. Magic lantern saves the EOS-M for sure. Its AF is still crappy slow with the shutter button but in all honestly the touch to shoot function is fast enough for most stuff and its automatic face tracking works suprisingly well and improves this speed too.
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neuroanatomist said:An 18 MP APS-C sensor. I'm shocked, really shocked. I didn't even know Canon had an 18 MP APS-C sensor, and yet here it is. Wow. Just...wow.
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expected no new line sensor is ready now (we can only hope we don't also say that late 2013 or 2014 though too
) and they want to milk this line and this the model to do it
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if this was ff with the 5DIII AF i'd preorder for 2500 bucks. As it is, i have zero interest at all unless it is around 300 dollars.
Why does small have to mean lame specs?
Why does small have to mean lame specs?
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yakapo said:
The NEX system has a fantastic Sigma 30mm f2.8 for about $150 that is really highly rated. Also the system has several electronic adapters for about $210 so you wont have to get rid of your canon lenses. I have a NEX 5R and it is my main take along camera. You wont be losing anything, you gain 10fps, contrast and phase detect AF, lighter smaller body and electronic viewfinder. Look also into the NEX 7 if you want excellent controls and magnesium body.
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Malte_P said:CanoSony said:
great first post fanboy.
NEX... urgs.
i sure give up the great canon lenses for the sony system. lol
Hardly.
I have 4 canon dslr bodies and a set of L lenses to go with them. The NEX system has Zeiss lenses just for their system which are excellent in IQ. The 16MP sensor in the nex 6 is excellent, AND you get AF all the time.
Canon is way behind Nikon and Sony as far as IQ and innovative products.
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In terms of IQ, I don't think there is much difference among the top tier DSLR gear, but in terms of the entry level cameras, I think Canon is definitely getting a little long in the tooth, especially when comparing the 18mp APS-C Canon sensor with other entry level DSLR's. This should hopefully change this year when Canon refreshes the 60D and 7D.J.R. said:
In terms of innovative, outside of lenses, i'd be curious which Canon bodies you'd describe as innovative...?
the EOS-M is just another APS-C mirrorless, nothing too crazy compared to anything else on the market, although a nice option for people with tons of Canon glass. I haven't heard anyone say it has brought anything new or exciting to the mirrorless market.
The 5DIII is just more or less a refreshed D700 with double the MP's.... which is awesome, but not exactly innovative....
In terms of innovative in DSLR world i'd say the only ones I can think of are the A99(which I would never buy) and the D800E(also not interested.)
In terms of small form factor, I think the most innovative cameras are the NEX series and the RX1/RX100, along with the Fujis.
I'm sure i'm missing a few from other brands, but at least over the last 4 years, Canon has been anything but innovative in terms of bodies.
CanoSony, it's a tough crowd here sometimes if you're not an ultra Canon fanboy 24/7,
Welcome to the forum, it' always good to see new opinions around here.
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EchoLocation said:
Yawn. Trolling troll is trollish.
And completely overlooks the 1Dx, the Great Whites, the TS-Es, the 24-70 II and 70-200 II, the MP-E 65....
Look. Nikon makes some awesome camera gear. Yea verily, indubitably so. Why can't all y'all accept that without having to tear down the competition, who also makes some awesome camera gear?
Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. And where the one trumps the other this year, their places will as likely as not reverse next year. The wise photographer either picks the one whose gestalt is a better fit for her needs, or picks the one that has something today that tips the scales -- and then doesn't waste any more brain cycles on the matter, unless and until the photographer's needs change.
Even then, should the photographer's needs change in a way that merits consideration of changing brands (in either direction), chances are excellent that a different format (typically medium format, though sometimes M43) altogether will be an even better fit than the competition.
Cheers,
b&
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