Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]

[dufflover]

haha /cue all the posters still waiting for that real 7D upgrade in the sensor (and other accuracy tweaks, that should be said) that bring it up to match the competition. Yes that includes me.

And yes I'm also of the preference of no-built in grip. That "feature" is almost as divisive as push-pull from what I've seen people discuss. For me it's just the size/shape of a gripped body won't well for my bags and packing (and I've barely touched the cheap grip I bought for my 60D to try it out).

7D with new better sensor, more accurate/refined (you'd think) AF, and flippy screen too (good for shooting) low. Kewl ...

But if there's one thing learnt in the last 4 years ... I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I CAN SEE IT :

 

[gmrza]

The original 7D was originally billed by canon as a Pro level APS-C... heck at the time had better AF than the 5d2... Could be the same here...

At this point, unfortunately, I am not expecting big strides in IQ between the 7D and 7DII. If recent releases are anything to go by, I think we should lower our expectations.

Given that the 7D's weather sealing and AF were already better than the 5DII, I expect the likely level of improvement to the 7DII will be smaller than the difference between the 5DII and 5DIII. The difference between 19pt AF and 63pt AF is much smaller than the difference between 9pt AF and 63pt AF.

As a result I expect to see less reason to move from a 7D to a 7DII than from a 5DII to a 5DIII.

Those people who had a 7D and 5DII and moved to a 5DIII will also have less reason to buy a 7DII, so unless Canon does something radical (for instance to court laggard 1DIV users who can't see the need for a 1DX) I don't see the 7DII being as successful as the 7D.

 

[Lee Jay]

I'll go a different angle on this, price seems low for true "pro" level. So I expect something, besides APS-C to be separating the 7DII from 5DIII/1DX. Also, if true Pro level, canon needs to upgrade a general purpose zoom. I say that as a former owner of the 15-85, which was a great lens. But they need a EFs general purpose zoom with weather sealing and better build quality.

EF-s 15-60/2.8 IS with L build quality would be my choice.

 

[KAS]

If true, I'll just have to sell all my nikon gear and jump ship...

 

[WPJ]

This is the next camera I'm going to buy, the day it becomes available. 8)

I might have to order 2, and sell my 2 7D's

 

[cheeseheadsaint]

pro crop sensor camera(7Dmkii) vs entry full sensor(6D).. ack now I'm indecisive again. Will the 6D iso performance be still better than the 7Dmkii?

 

[awinphoto]

The original 7D was originally billed by canon as a Pro level APS-C... heck at the time had better AF than the 5d2... Could be the same here...

At this point, unfortunately, I am not expecting big strides in IQ between the 7D and 7DII. If recent releases are anything to go by, I think we should lower our expectations.

Given that the 7D's weather sealing and AF were already better than the 5DII, I expect the likely level of improvement to the 7DII will be smaller than the difference between the 5DII and 5DIII. The difference between 19pt AF and 63pt AF is much smaller than the difference between 9pt AF and 63pt AF.

As a result I expect to see less reason to move from a 7D to a 7DII than from a 5DII to a 5DIII.

Those people who had a 7D and 5DII and moved to a 5DIII will also have less reason to buy a 7DII, so unless Canon does something radical (for instance to court laggard 1DIV users who can't see the need for a 1DX) I don't see the 7DII being as successful as the 7D.

Part of the 7D's success was that at that time, the closest thing to the nikon D300 was the 50D and that was a failure in comparison by most measuring sticks... Then canon came out with their trump card, almost out of nowhere that had had as good if not better everything... From IQ (although debatable), video, ergonomics, FPS, AF cross points, etc... Even after nikon came out with the D300S, the 7D still came out smelling like a rose.... Now nikon has gone out in full force with their 5100 and anticipated D400, this will have tougher competition and may not be the reigning king like it was 3-4 years ago. Wifi would be a cool feature, but it isn't new and shiny, the 6D and so on had that... 63 point AF, well that obviously wont be something new... HDR, Video, etc... most features has been implemented before... As far as ground breaking stuff, i dont know if there would really be any real jaw dropping features unless maybe it does 4k video. I for one wouldn't want a flippy out screen, but touch screen with that dual pixel sensor may be nice to have... I think even if all they did was slighly raise FPS to 10-12, like what most people are expecting, cleaner ISO and IQ and sharper/cleaner video with less jello, that would be enough for most people with the original 7D to plunk down $2k.

 

[WPJ]

And yes I'm also of the preference of no-built in grip. That "feature" is almost as divisive as push-pull from what I've seen people discuss. For me it's just the size/shape of a gripped body won't well for my bags and packing (and I've barely touched the cheap grip I bought for my 60D to try it out).

Personal preference I guess, I have only taken my grips off my 2 7D'd a few times to clean them and upgrade there firmware. If,it was,built in and takes the same battery as the 7D, sweet.

 

[jrista]

Wow. Finally a CR2 for the 7D II. Sounds about what I expected....~$2000 price tag, and true high end, professional features. This actually has me getting excited again about a Canon camera release...haven't felt this way since the 1D X was announced.

I guess my one single question is: New 180nm (or smaller) CMOS fab process for a sensor that uses modern pixels and on-die parallel ADC?

I really don't want another camera with Canon's epically DEAD 500nm sensor process... Even if it is damn good...I really expect better sensor IQ, across the board (low ISO and high) now that most of Canon's competitors offer it...

 

[unfocused]

Doesn't surprise me since I just bought a 5DIII.



No regrets though. If it has improved autofocus and some marginal improvement in ISO performance it will eventually find it's way into my camera bag.

At $2,000 I am sure it won't be a gripped body. I still say more of a 5DIII in APS-C format.

What bothers me about this rumor though is that I don't believe this: "...a new EOS-1 body."

I just don't see Canon introducing a new EOS-1 body when the 1Dx was only released in 2011. There is no competitive reason for Canon to replace the 1Dx since Nikon's D4 pretty much mirrors the 1Dx and there's no indication that Nikon will be replacing it anytime soon. And, while I don't get all caught up in naming conventions, I can't imagine Canon dropping its "X" designation for 1 series cameras, nor can I imagine that the market would support both a 1Dx and another 1 series body.

I want to believe this rumor, but the EOS-1 statement throws it all into doubt in my view.



Well, let me amend that slightly and go back to an old idea I've had before. A 7DII that mirrors the 5DIII and a 7Dx that is targeted to pro-sports photographers who miss the 1.3 crop. Should be possible to develop a APS-C sensor today that has the same or better image quality and low-light performance of the last generation of APS-H sensor.

Both could share the same sensor, while the "x" version's autofocus would be to the 7DII as the 1Dx is to the 5DIII. Close but not quite the same. Put the "x" version in a fully weather sealed, gripped pro-style body and it could be a winner with professional sports shooters.

 

[RGF]

Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

Non removable grip does not matter to me if the camera was a mini-1Dx. I want similar controls to 1Dx, same AF, and IQ. Of course the S/N will limit the ISO, perhaps to 2 stops less than 1Dx.

But I am afraid for $2,000 the camera will not have the quality (build and IQ) as 1Dx

 

[RGF]

What bothers me about this rumor though is that I don't believe this: "...a new EOS-1 body."

New 1D could be high MP body

 

[Brymills]

I went from a 7D to a 5D 3, and mostly do sport stuff. Very occasionally I miss the higher FPS of the 7D. What I miss most is the buffer depth to write raw + jpeg whilst using the highest FPS of the 5D 3. But the IQ of the 5D 3 surpasses the 7D by a significant margin - and at higher ISOs by a very significant margin. I'd go back to a 7D in heartbeat if it married the FPS of the 7D - or slightly higher with the IQ of the 5D 3, and as a bonus, the AF of the 1DX. Not bothered about a gripped body, not bothered about articulated screens. Not bothered about dual card slots either to be honest - not unless it's dual CF.

 

[Lichtgestalt]

I guess my one single question is: New 180nm (or smaller) CMOS fab process for a sensor that uses modern pixels and on-die parallel ADC?

modern pixels.....? it´s called photosites.

and yes i too hope they produce the sensor in a new fab process.
not that the actuall canon sensors are bad.
but i guess a switch to 180nm could bring some IQ gain... and more important.. it should shut down the whiners for 3 hours.

 

[dufflover]

7D fps/features + 5D3 IQ = 1D-X so I doubt you'll get that in the 7D2

Will be very happy to be wrong if Canon do it to try and leap frog the competition with some crazy new sensor but I agree with other posters the track record says no

 

[candc]

i have enough confidence in it being a great camera that i would preorder it now without even knowing the specs

 

[RichM]

i have enough confidence in it being a great camera that i would preorder it now without even knowing the specs

I'm not quite sure I agree with the above, but.... I'm very excited about the potential for a 7d2. I shoot a lot of sports, and own both the 5d3 and 7d, and tend to pick up the 7d and 300/f4 for field sports, with the 5d3 and 70-200/2.8 as the second setup. The 8fps vs. 6fps difference is noticeable. I've been yearning for the 7d2, assuming better high ISO performance, and slight improvements in AF, IQ etc all in an APS-C format.

 

[pwp]

Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.

Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package. On a body with a bolt-on grip, there are inevitable and very real functional design compromises. I confront these differences on a daily basis with my gripped 5D3 & 1D MkIV.

Hopefully todays CR post is not just another in the long line of 7D2 apparitions. Eventually a real camera will emerge from the smoke and mirrors.

-pw

 

[candc]

This is a camera that canon is going to do its best to make good, not just to appeal to the widest audience. You can pretty well bet it will have at least a stop better than 70d iso performance, 2 digic processors, a nice size for big telephoto lens build with good weather sealing, probably 24 mp,and a really good AF system. Probably no floppy screen.

The people that want this camera want a mini 1dx and canon knows it.

 

[drmikeinpdx]

I'm still loving my 5D3 and just keep my 7D around for backup. The difference in sensor noise is so apparent in post processing, that I really don't care to use the 7D unless I'm forced to. It's a nice handling camera, so I feel kinda bad about that.

When the 7D2 comes out, I will withhold judgement until there are many reviews addressing image quality/noise/higher ISO performance. There will have to be a big improvement to attract my $$.