Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]

[thfifthcrouch]

This is not a camera for the full frame pixel peeping connoisseur. If your worried about razor thin depth of focus, noise at 6400 iso or any of that sort of thing, this is not your camera. It simply can't be. This will be amazing for the wild life or birder who wants that extra reach with a multitude of tools to get you there. It will produce amazing pics at ISOs up to 800 (which if you come from film is amazing). It will do fine over that for small prints or such that you want to post on facebook and just like every crop frame. All that said I love birding and it's mine, all mine. ;D

 

[eml58]

What bothers me about this rumor though is that I don't believe this: "...a new EOS-1 body."

New 1D could be high MP body

That would be my Guess as well, also my hope.

But why Canon would produce a high MP Camera in a 1 D Body, and develop a separate focus system to the existing 61 point in the 5DMK III & 1Dx ?? beats me.

I could see a 39 (pick a number) point system going into the 7D2, along with a better sensor (70D ?? Type), some better weather sealing, GPS etc, but you can't get away from the $$$, if the 7D2 is a 2k Camera Body, your going to get 2k value, those hoping for a 1Dx in a non 1 series body may be disappointed, again.

But if it had better IQ than the 1DMK IV, then it does become an interesting Body as a back up for the 1Dx in wildlife, the 1.6 sensor with real IQ would be interesting.

 

[Lee Jay]

Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.

Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package.

Part of the reason for my post is that I find the ergonomics of the 1-Series worse than any Canon body aside from perhaps the M. They're too large and they're unnecessarily heavy. They're simply unusable for me. I'll take my 5D over a 1-series every day. In fact, if you give me a 1Dx for free, I'll put it in the basement along with my VCR.

 

[candc]

What bothers me about this rumor though is that I don't believe this: "...a new EOS-1 body."

New 1D could be high MP body

That would be my Guess as well, also my hope.

But why Canon would produce a high MP Camera in a 1 D Body, and develop a separate focus system to the existing 61 point in the 5DMK III & 1Dx ?? beats me.

I could see a 39 (pick a number) point system going into the 7D2, along with a better sensor (70D ?? Type), some better weather sealing, GPS etc, but you can't get away from the $$$, if the 7D2 is a 2k Camera Body, your going to get 2k value, those hoping for a 1Dx in a non 1 series body may be disappointed, again.

But if it had better IQ than the 1DMK IV, then it does become an interesting Body as a back up for the 1Dx in wildlife, the 1.6 sensor with real IQ would be interesting.

I don't think you will see an integrated grip like the 1 series, that would drive the price up too much but weather sealing is cheap to include, they just don't on what they consider "consumer grade" its smart marketing. I have a 70d and its fine at iso 1600 in the shadows higher in decent light is fine too. Bump that up 1 step and your in business.

Canon execs said this camera would offer more than incremental evolution, let's hope they come through.

 

[Otara]

Its less pixel peeping and more cropping for me.

With both the tamron biglens update and the 7d2 appearing, it will either be very exciting or time to accept I have to accept the limitations of what I can achieve without relying on technology to help it further.

If they could make sure it fits my 7d underwater housing too that would be great . yes I know I'm dreaming.

Otara

 

[iam2nd]

Eagerly awaiting. I hope that 2014 is a year full of exciting, innovative DSLR body and lens releases from Canon.

 

[Tom W]

Looking forward to a new 7. I sold my 7D a few months back, since I wasn't really using it any more (got the 5D3). Certainly, pixel density is my friend, if they're clean pixels. And if they are, I'm all over it like flies on 'you-know-what'.

 

[mdmphoto]

I moved up to a 6D this past Spring for improved IQ, low noise, and high iso. I love it, but I sorely miss the af and fps of my 7D; though I still use it, I find the 6D comes in more handy for my night shooting and indoor event shots. Barring some unanticipated bad thing, I will absolutely be adding the 7D II as soon as it's available.

 

[duydaniel]

7D2

+ 22 MP (70D sensor)
+ 10 fps
+ 1 CF slot
+ pop up flash
+ 61 AF points
+ Digic 6
+ GPS built-in

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[Woody]

Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR..... ;D ;D ;D

 

[Ruined]

I moved up to a 6D this past Spring for improved IQ, low noise, and high iso. I love it, but I sorely miss the af and fps of my 7D; though I still use it, I find the 6D comes in more handy for my night shooting and indoor event shots. Barring some unanticipated bad thing, I will absolutely be adding the 7D II as soon as it's available.

Actually, the 6D and 7D2 should be a pretty excellent combo!

 

[Ruined]

I hope this has a touchscreen for pinch to zoom during preview and liveview autofocus. Menu navigation I could care less about.

 

[KanonKaz]

So will the Pro APS-C have a crop factor of 1.6 like that of a Rebel and the 7D or 1.3 like the Canon Mark IV?

Also. Would it be better to buy the Canon Mark IV or wait for the 7D Mark II???

Thanks!

 

[pwp]

Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.
Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package.

Part of the reason for my post is that I find the ergonomics of the 1-Series worse than any Canon body aside from perhaps the M. They're too large and they're unnecessarily heavy. They're simply unusable for me. I'll take my 5D over a 1-series every day. In fact, if you give me a 1Dx for free, I'll put it in the basement along with my VCR.

Really? Seriously? Hmmm....OK

-pw

 

[Don Haines]

So will the Pro APS-C have a crop factor of 1.6 like that of a Rebel and the 7D or 1.3 like the Canon Mark IV?

Also. Would it be better to buy the Canon Mark IV or wait for the 7D Mark II???

Thanks!

The 1.3X crop factor is dead! It came about when the yields were so low on FF sensor that a practical alternative was needed... The yields are high enough now that it is not needed.

A 1.3X crop would not work with APS-C lenses so you would need FF lenses only.... so why not go FF? What would be the use of a crop camera that can't use any of the current crop lenses?

 

[Chosenbydestiny]

Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.
Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package.

Part of the reason for my post is that I find the ergonomics of the 1-Series worse than any Canon body aside from perhaps the M. They're too large and they're unnecessarily heavy. They're simply unusable for me. I'll take my 5D over a 1-series every day. In fact, if you give me a 1Dx for free, I'll put it in the basement along with my VCR.

Really? Seriously? Hmmm....OK

-pw

Or you could donate it to one of us who do prefer it. I prefer the grip, just a minor annoyance with the somewhat cumbersome traditional grips they've made so far. If they redesign it to make the grip area smaller than at least half it's size now, we could very well all have the compromise we've been waiting for. With today's technology I'm sure they could redesign the battery bay to be smaller and carry a thinner battery that equals the power of about two LP-E6s and a slightly better voltage to drive the AF better than it's driven on the 5D mark III but not as good as the 1D-X. Since it will most likely be a crop body with lower ISO performance, I don't feel that the 5D Mark III would be cannibalized in sales. That design would put the vertical shutter button closer to the thumb wheel and AF selector button as well. It would fit the 1D-X nickname that's been floating around. I'd definitely pay 2k for that.

 

[pwp]

So will the Pro APS-C have a crop factor of 1.6 like that of a Rebel and the 7D or 1.3 like the Canon Mark IV?
Also. Would it be better to buy the Canon Mark IV or wait for the 7D Mark II???

I'd be astounded if it shipped with anything other than an APS-C sensor. There is no final, official 7DII specifications list, so everything on this thread is either speculation or comment. Besides, if it were x1.3 crop, it would be correctly described as APS-H not APS-C.

1D4 vs 7DII? Who knows? The 1D4 is an awesome camera that ticks a lot of boxes, but there is the reality that it's now getting pretty old, being announced back in October 2009. Depending on the final specs, the 7DII could pull ahead of the 1D4 despite being less durable in the long term, but at only $2k, who cares?

FYI, check this chart to see that the 7D is the longest running Cannon DSLR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canon_EOS_digital_cameras

-pw

 

[KanonKaz]

So will the Pro APS-C have a crop factor of 1.6 like that of a Rebel and the 7D or 1.3 like the Canon Mark IV?

Also. Would it be better to buy the Canon Mark IV or wait for the 7D Mark II???

Thanks!

The 1.3X crop factor is dead! It came about when the yields were so low on FF sensor that a practical alternative was needed... The yields are high enough now that it is not needed.

A 1.3X crop would not work with APS-C lenses so you would need FF lenses only.... so why not go FF? What would be the use of a crop camera that can't use any of the current crop lenses?

Off the top of my head. I would say I'd like a 1.3 over a smaller sensor size in the 1.6. Image quality is definitely better on the 1.3 over the 1.6. I currently have the 5D Mark III, and while I like the full frame sensor on the camera, I'd rather have my 300 2.8 on a 1.3 sensor camera which yields a 390 2.8. Great length for most sports shooting. And, much sharper than the 1.4 ext on the lens on the 5D Mark III. Of course, I'd like having the frame per second speed of the Mark IV and the 7D Mark II over my 5D Mark III as well as better auto focus. I don't own any APS-C lenses. I shoot with the 16-35, 70-200 and a 300 2.8.

 

[Etienne]

I'm still loving my 5D3 and just keep my 7D around for backup. The difference in sensor noise is so apparent in post processing, that I really don't care to use the 7D unless I'm forced to. It's a nice handling camera, so I feel kinda bad about that.

When the 7D2 comes out, I will withhold judgement until there are many reviews addressing image quality/noise/higher ISO performance. There will have to be a big improvement to attract my $$.

+1

 

[Etienne]

This is not a camera for the full frame pixel peeping connoisseur. If your worried about razor thin depth of focus, noise at 6400 iso or any of that sort of thing, this is not your camera. It simply can't be. This will be amazing for the wild life or birder who wants that extra reach with a multitude of tools to get you there. It will produce amazing pics at ISOs up to 800 (which if you come from film is amazing). It will do fine over that for small prints or such that you want to post on facebook and just like every crop frame. All that said I love birding and it's mine, all mine. ;D

Canon was able to do amazing high ISO performance in the C100, and C300, which are basically APS-C, so they could do it in the 7DII